From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dan Nicolaescu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1058: 23.0.60; emacs --daemon should not return until socket is ready Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <200810031744.m93HiAhf023661@mothra.ics.uci.edu> References: <1222782234_2281@mail.internode.on.net> <200810011651.m91GpAZQ010333@mothra.ics.uci.edu> <87k5csds03.fsf@elegiac.orebokech.com> <200810012332.m91NWJ4s014658@mothra.ics.uci.edu> <874p3vediy.fsf@elegiac.orebokech.com> <200810020814.m928Ed1C016380@mothra.ics.uci.edu> <200810021726.m92HQcTQ017644@mothra.ics.uci.edu> <200810022234.m92MYgYp018688@mothra.ics.uci.edu> <200810030452.m934q2YN021262@mothra.ics.uci.edu> Reply-To: Dan Nicolaescu , 1058@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1223057414 7023 80.91.229.12 (3 Oct 2008 18:10:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 18:10:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: trentbuck@gmail.com, 1058@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com, Romain Francoise To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 03 20:11:10 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Klp7N-0003Ds-Cd for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:11:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59323 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Klp6K-0004lr-6T for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:10:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Klp6H-0004ky-5V for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:10:01 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Klp6F-0004iW-Jl for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:10:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=58970 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Klp6F-0004iN-H5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:09:59 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:43948) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Klp6E-0003wd-WE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:09:59 -0400 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m93I9uNe027627; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:09:56 -0700 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id m93Ho4o0021922; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:50:04 -0700 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Dan Nicolaescu Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:50:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1058 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 1058-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1058.122305588020550 (code B ref 1058); Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:50:04 +0000 Original-Received: (at 1058) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 3 Oct 2008 17:44:40 +0000 Original-Received: from sallyv2.ics.uci.edu (sallyv2.ics.uci.edu [128.195.1.120]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id m93Hibjd020544 for <1058@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:44:38 -0700 Original-Received: from mothra.ics.uci.edu (mothra.ics.uci.edu [128.195.6.93]) by sallyv2.ics.uci.edu (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m93HiBDc027328; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: (from dann@localhost) by mothra.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.6/Submit) id m93HiAhf023661; Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:44:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:00:39 -0400") Original-Lines: 30 X-ICS-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ICS-MailScanner-ID: m93HiBDc027328 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@mothra.ics.uci.edu X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:10:00 -0400 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:21056 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > > Hmm, you mean that after "emacs -Q --daemon" if you look with ps there's > > no emacs process at all? And "emacsclient -t" does not connect to it? > > Exactly. But I haven't investigated further yet. Most likely it's > a simple error somewhere that causes Emacs to exit but the message is > throw away. If this is with an up to date pristine tree, then please debug it, it's very bad. I have not seen anything like this on any of the systems that I use. > That's exactly for these kinds of reasons that it's important to > keep sending messages to stdout at least until after the server is > started: otherwise debugging is a pain. Well, but that is not how things work when using emacs normally (i.e. interactive session without --daemon). - Errors in .emacs are shown in the *Messages* buffer. That still happens with --daemon. - Interactive questions (like a y-or-n-p in .emacs) get asked in the first emacs frame that appears. I think we agree that something like this is ill formed for --daemon. It would be nice if it failed more graciously, but I am not sure it can be easily done within the current constraints. BTW, the splash screen covers that *Messages* buffer quite fast, so errors at startup are not displayed for too long ...