From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 19:08:30 +0000 Message-ID: <20080804190830.GB17959@muc.de> References: <570553.73339.qm@web95014.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <20080731093022.GB2886@muc.de> <20080801153128.GB13919@muc.de> <20080802171212.GA2138@muc.de> <20080803175110.GA6025@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217876861 12177 80.91.229.12 (4 Aug 2008 19:07:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 19:07:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dhruva@ymail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Richard M. Stallman" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 04 21:08:31 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KQ5Pu-0005od-Mh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:08:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38794 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KQ5Oz-0007NO-IC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:07:29 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KQ5Ot-0007JB-Nl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:07:23 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KQ5Ot-0007Hj-1E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:07:23 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=53649 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KQ5Os-0007Hb-U1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:07:22 -0400 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:2170 helo=mail.muc.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KQ5Os-0004s7-AC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:07:22 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 5535 invoked by uid 3782); 4 Aug 2008 19:07:20 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (pD9E505FC.dip.t-dialin.net [217.229.5.252]) by colin2.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:07:19 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 20366 invoked by uid 1000); 4 Aug 2008 19:08:30 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.5 (Fettercairn) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:102057 Archived-At: Hi, Richard! On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 11:33:34AM -0400, Richard M. Stallman wrote: > To be honest, I wouldn't do that either if somebody suggested it to > me. But if you did try this, you might then be a bit more > sympathetic to those who percieve that type of software to be > modern, efficient, and OK. > I sympathize fully with appreciation of convenient software. What I > refuse to sympathize with is the failure to appreciate freedom even > more. Lots of people can't appreciate freedom because they don't understand it. To a large extent, they're people who've never suffered constraint, or haven't noticed it. A mob of such people is dangerous indeed. Education, sympathetic or not, is the best thing here. > I see my task, miniscule though my personal contribution might be, > to be to make freedom convenient. Several of my colleagues over > the years have told me they don't care about software freedom, they > want the tools which get their job done best. You can't argue with > that, > Yes we can. We have done so for 25 years and we will continue to do > so. OK, let's not quibble about semantic niceties. There are people who will stick to what's convenient, what "the law" tells them. The only way to persuade such people is to show them something convenient or legal. > it's consistent and honest. > It is foolish and dangerous. It's all four of these things. > I think free software should cater to them, too. > We cater to them to the extent it doesn't interfere with more important > goals, such as establishing a free society. Sometimes I think you'd force freedom upon people. ;-) -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).