From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 18:01:01 +0000 Message-ID: <20080803180101.GB6025@muc.de> References: <570553.73339.qm@web95014.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <20080731093022.GB2886@muc.de> <20080801153128.GB13919@muc.de> <20080802171212.GA2138@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217786418 18501 80.91.229.12 (3 Aug 2008 18:00:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 18:00:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dhruva@ymail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Richard M. Stallman" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 03 20:01:07 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KPhtC-0007KC-L9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:01:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33305 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KPhsH-0003X2-NW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:00:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KPhsC-0003Wc-44 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:00:04 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KPhs9-0003WM-Hu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:00:02 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49172 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KPhs9-0003WJ-F4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:00:01 -0400 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:2747 helo=mail.muc.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KPhs9-0006yE-1n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:00:01 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 80267 invoked by uid 3782); 3 Aug 2008 17:59:59 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (pD9E51682.dip.t-dialin.net [217.229.22.130]) by colin2.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:59:57 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 6573 invoked by uid 1000); 3 Aug 2008 18:01:01 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.5 (Fettercairn) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:102002 Archived-At: Hi, Richard! On Sat, Aug 02, 2008 at 09:33:20PM -0400, Richard M. Stallman wrote: > Borrowing notions from chess, you're talking about winning by > direct attack, possibly with brilliant sacrifices along the way, > while I see things more as a positional game, accumulating small > advantages, manoevring against enemy weaknesses. You're Mikhail > Tal, I'm José Capablanca. ;-) > Your statement assumes both approaches can/do lead to victory. That is > precisely what I am not sure of. Real chess players need to be able to play either strategy. I don't see why free software should restrict itself to one strategy. > One person posted here saying that running Emacs on Windows led him to > drop Windows for GNU/Linux. In that case, the Windows support in Emacs > did lead to victory. Perhaps it has done so in other cases too. If > so, maybe it is effective. > But just using Emacs and other free programs on Windows is not victory. There will be no ultimate victory, as such, IMAO. There will always be users of restricted software, so long as such is available. I think the aim should be that the only people to use proprietary software should be those who want to; free software should become the default. As I've said before, one of the barriers is this: -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).