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From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: "Richard M. Stallman" <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: dhruva@ymail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Release plans
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 18:01:01 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080803180101.GB6025@muc.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1KPSTI-0007jx-88@fencepost.gnu.org>

Hi, Richard!

On Sat, Aug 02, 2008 at 09:33:20PM -0400, Richard M. Stallman wrote:
>     Borrowing notions from chess, you're talking about winning by
>     direct attack, possibly with brilliant sacrifices along the way,
>     while I see things more as a positional game, accumulating small
>     advantages, manoevring against enemy weaknesses.  You're Mikhail
>     Tal, I'm José Capablanca.  ;-)

> Your statement assumes both approaches can/do lead to victory.  That is
> precisely what I am not sure of.

Real chess players need to be able to play either strategy.  I don't see
why free software should restrict itself to one strategy.

> One person posted here saying that running Emacs on Windows led him to
> drop Windows for GNU/Linux.  In that case, the Windows support in Emacs
> did lead to victory.  Perhaps it has done so in other cases too.  If
> so, maybe it is effective.

> But just using Emacs and other free programs on Windows is not victory.

There will be no ultimate victory, as such, IMAO.  There will always be
users of restricted software, so long as such is available.  I think the
aim should be that the only people to use proprietary software should be
those who want to; free software should become the default.  As I've said
before, one of the barriers is this:

    <http://www.xkcd.com/456/>

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).




  reply	other threads:[~2008-08-03 18:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 318+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-30  9:58 Release plans dhruva
2008-07-31  1:59 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-31  9:30   ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-07-31 22:01     ` Richard M Stallman
2008-08-01 14:15       ` Frank Schmitt
2008-08-01 14:51         ` Miles Bader
2008-08-02  5:12         ` Richard M Stallman
2008-08-02  7:20           ` Frank Schmitt
2008-08-03  1:33             ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-03 11:38               ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-08-03 22:42                 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-03 23:16                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-08-04 15:55                   ` Davi Leal
2008-08-05 21:48                     ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-12  4:48                   ` Thomas Lord
2008-08-12  7:30                     ` Miles Bader
2008-08-12 15:37                       ` Thomas Lord
2008-08-12 10:32                     ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-12 16:08                       ` Thomas Lord
2008-08-13 20:20                         ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-03 13:48               ` Nic
2008-08-03 22:42                 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-01 15:31       ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-02  5:12         ` Richard M Stallman
2008-08-02 17:12           ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-02 23:46             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-03  1:33             ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-03 18:01               ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2008-08-04 15:33                 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-12  4:24               ` Thomas Lord
2008-08-12 10:32                 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-12 16:12                   ` Thomas Lord
2008-08-03  1:33             ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-03 17:51               ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-04 15:33                 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-04 19:08                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-05  8:05                     ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-01 17:39       ` Davi Leal
2008-08-02  5:12         ` Richard M Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-08-14 15:36 Robert J. Chassell
2008-08-14 15:51 ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-14 21:00   ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-08-14 22:58     ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found] <SRV-ADEXCHyjlMFAVNL0000090e@waccglobal.org>
2008-08-13 14:07 ` Mike Rowse
2008-08-13  1:30 A Soare
2008-08-12 20:51 A Soare
2008-08-12 21:35 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-12 20:16 christophe
2008-08-12 18:57 A Soare
2008-08-12 18:54 A Soare
2008-08-12 18:58 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-12 18:41 A Soare
2008-08-12 18:46 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-12 18:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-12 18:38 A Soare
2008-08-12 18:36 A Soare
2008-08-12 18:04 A Soare
2008-08-12 18:21 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-12 18:25   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-12 15:34 A Soare
2008-08-12 15:59 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-12 14:34 A Soare
2008-08-12 14:52 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-12 17:14 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-13  6:26   ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-13  9:20     ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-14  5:19       ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-14  8:38         ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-14  9:33           ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-14  9:49             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-08-14 10:04               ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-14 10:30                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-14 11:07                   ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-14 11:44                     ` Tassilo Horn
2008-08-14 12:27                       ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-15 12:45                       ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-14 12:39                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-14 13:15                       ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-14 13:28                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-14 13:41                           ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-14 17:08                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-08-14 14:30                         ` Gilaras Drakeson
2008-08-14 18:00                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-08-15 12:45                         ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-15 14:18                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-15 17:54                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-08-15 12:45                       ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-15 16:29                         ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-16 10:40                           ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-14 10:37                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-08-14 11:24                   ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-14 12:54                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-08-14 13:31                       ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-14 14:02                         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-08-14 16:55                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-08-15 12:45                         ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-16  1:41                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-17  7:16                             ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-15  3:41                 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-15  4:04                   ` Sean O'Rourke
2008-08-15 20:12                     ` Michael Ekstrand
2008-08-15  5:08                   ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-16  0:08                     ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-16  5:14                       ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-15 17:20                   ` Thomas Lord
2008-08-16 10:39                     ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-16 12:05                       ` joakim
2008-08-17  7:16                         ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-17  9:32                           ` joakim
2008-08-18  6:14                             ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-18  7:19                               ` Tassilo Horn
2008-08-18  8:03                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-08-18  8:26                               ` joakim
2008-08-19 12:21                                 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-19 13:02                                   ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-20  3:47                                     ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-20  5:20                                       ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-19 13:42                                   ` Tassilo Horn
2008-08-20  3:48                                     ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-18 14:20                               ` Gilaras Drakeson
2008-08-18 17:13                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-08-18 17:42                                 ` Paul R
2008-08-19 12:21                                 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-20  0:01                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-08-21 23:09                                     ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-16 16:29                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-08-16 21:04                       ` Thomas Lord
2008-08-16 21:35                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-16 22:43                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-08-17  7:31                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-18  0:01                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-08-18 10:18                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-18 17:58                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-08-18 21:09                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-18 23:27                                       ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-19 10:23                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-19 11:56                                           ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-19  9:46                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-08-19 12:36                                         ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-08-20  5:55                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-08-20 17:48                                             ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-08-25  1:34                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-08-25 10:47                                                 ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-08-25 13:13                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-08-25 15:19                                                     ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-08-25 17:11                                                       ` Thomas Lord
2008-08-26  4:10                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-08-26 10:59                                                           ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-08-27  5:00                                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-08-27 11:37                                                               ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-08-28  5:42                                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-08-28 10:17                                                                   ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-08-26 16:37                                                       ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-26 18:14                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2008-08-27 18:54                                                           ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-27 20:33                                                             ` Paul R
2008-08-29  2:41                                                               ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-29  5:34                                                                 ` Thomas Lord
2008-08-29 11:39                                                                   ` Bruce Stephens
2008-08-29 13:11                                                                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 19:23                                                                       ` Thomas Lord
2008-08-29 20:03                                                                         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-08-29 20:20                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-08-29 20:53                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 23:24                                                                               ` Thomas Lord
2008-08-29 22:56                                                                             ` Thomas Lord
2008-08-30 19:51                                                                             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-08-30 23:07                                                                               ` Thomas Lord
2008-08-31  9:09                                                                                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-08-29 22:53                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2008-08-31  9:27                                                                             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-08-29 19:13                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2008-08-29 23:48                                                                     ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-01  6:11                                                                   ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-01 18:25                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2008-08-27 22:32                                                             ` Thomas Lord
2008-08-27 21:57                                                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-08-28  0:10                                                                 ` Thomas Lord
2008-08-29  2:40                                                                   ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-29  5:30                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2008-08-27 22:09                                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-28  1:10                                                                 ` Thomas Lord
2008-09-01  6:11                                                                   ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-01 18:09                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2008-09-02  1:09                                                                       ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-02  2:18                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2008-09-02 14:13                                                                           ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-09-02 20:48                                                                             ` Thomas Lord
2008-09-01 18:20                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-09-01 20:17                                                                       ` Thomas Lord
2008-09-01 19:53                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-09-01 21:23                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2008-09-02  3:26                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-09-02 20:43                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2008-09-03  5:08                                                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-08-27 23:09                                                               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-28  0:22                                                                 ` Thomas Lord
2008-08-28  1:01                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-26 21:25                                                         ` joakim
2008-08-29  2:41                                                           ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-19 15:52                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-25 14:39                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-08-25 22:01                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-25 22:19                                               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-26  4:54                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-08-26 10:02                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-27  5:38                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-08-27 21:06                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-27 21:12                                                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-28 20:01                                                         ` Sean Sieger
2008-08-28  6:07                                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-08-27 15:57                                                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-08-27 18:33                                                   ` tomas
2008-08-28  6:09                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-08-28  8:14                                                       ` tomas
2008-08-28  7:25                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-28  8:23                                                       ` tomas
2008-08-28  6:26                                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-08-19 16:31                                         ` Thomas Lord
2008-08-20  3:47                                         ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-20  6:14                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-08-19 12:21                                     ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-19 13:04                                       ` Paul R
2008-08-20  3:48                                         ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-17  2:37                           ` Thomas Lord
2008-08-17  8:01                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-17 17:42                               ` Thomas Lord
2008-08-17 21:07                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-17 21:24                                   ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-17 21:33                                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-08-17 22:31                                       ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-18  3:06                                   ` Thomas Lord
2008-08-18  6:14                                   ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-17 21:45                                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-08-18  6:14                                 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-18 17:09                                   ` Thomas Lord
2008-08-19 16:28                                   ` René Kyllingstad
2008-08-20  3:48                                     ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-17  7:16                           ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-15  3:41               ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-15 17:17                 ` Thomas Lord
2008-08-16 10:40                   ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-16  7:14                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-08-14 17:24             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-08-15  3:41           ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-15 14:04             ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-15 16:35               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-08-15 18:07                 ` Thomas Lord
2008-08-16 10:40               ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-16 10:40               ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-12 13:51 A Soare
2008-08-12 13:37 A Soare
2008-08-12 13:50 ` martin rudalics
2008-08-12 17:16   ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-12 14:02 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-12 14:54 ` Paul R
2008-08-12 18:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-12 19:16   ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-08-12 19:41     ` Paul R
2008-08-12 13:11 A Soare
2008-08-12 13:20 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-08-12 15:54   ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-13  6:26     ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-13  7:05       ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-12 13:24 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-12 12:21 A Soare
2008-08-12 12:33 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-12 13:42 ` Michael Ekstrand
2008-08-13  6:27   ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-13  7:14     ` Alex Ott
2008-08-12 14:45 ` Miles Bader
2008-08-12 14:56   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-12 16:47   ` Drew Adams
2008-08-13 20:20     ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-12 18:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-05  2:53 dhruva
2008-08-05  4:43 ` tomas
2008-08-05 21:48 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-07-31  9:54 dhruva
2008-07-31 22:01 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-14 15:07 Chong Yidong
2008-07-17  0:27 ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-17  6:41   ` David Kastrup
2008-07-21  4:49 ` Chong Yidong
2008-07-21  8:06   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-07-21 13:32     ` Chong Yidong
2008-07-21 14:19       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-07-23 20:52   ` Michael Albinus
2008-07-23 21:42     ` Chong Yidong
2008-07-26  7:39   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-26 21:33     ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-27  3:22       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-27 17:14         ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-27 19:14           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-28 21:46             ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-29  3:12               ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-30  3:47                 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-07-30 17:33                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-28 13:43     ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-28 14:10       ` Chong Yidong
2008-07-28 14:33         ` Juri Linkov
2008-07-29 17:11           ` Chong Yidong
2008-07-29 17:54             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-07-29 15:21     ` Roland Winkler
2008-08-02 17:34     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-09 18:29       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-09 18:34         ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-08-09 19:06           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-31  2:10   ` Bastien
2008-07-31  2:43     ` Chong Yidong
2008-07-31  8:06       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-01  2:53         ` Bastien
2008-08-01 19:26 ` Jay Belanger
2008-08-01 19:32   ` Chong Yidong
2008-08-02 16:12     ` Jay Belanger
2008-08-02  4:08   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-08-02 17:30   ` Richard M Stallman
2008-08-05  4:04   ` Bill Wohler

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