From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:31:28 +0000 Message-ID: <20080801153128.GB13919@muc.de> References: <570553.73339.qm@web95014.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <20080731093022.GB2886@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217604718 7156 80.91.229.12 (1 Aug 2008 15:31:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:31:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dhruva@ymail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard M Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 01 17:32:48 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KOwcQ-0007Ka-G9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:32:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60057 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KOwbV-0000Pb-Ov for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:31:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KOwab-0008AT-E4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:30:45 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KOwaa-00089L-AX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:30:44 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49156 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KOwaZ-00089B-UB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:30:43 -0400 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:2494 helo=mail.muc.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KOwaY-0002gs-VM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:30:43 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 59017 invoked by uid 3782); 1 Aug 2008 15:30:40 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (pD9E5398C.dip.t-dialin.net [217.229.57.140]) by colin2.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 17:30:37 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 18049 invoked by uid 1000); 1 Aug 2008 15:31:28 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.5 (Fettercairn) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101899 Archived-At: Hi again, Richard, On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 06:01:38PM -0400, Richard M Stallman wrote: > MS-Windows, like fossil-fuelled transportation, is something > undesirable, but difficult to avoid without separating from > mainstream society. > They are not similar; avoiding Windows is far easier. Please do not > exaggerate. Avoiding Windows may well be far easier. It is still difficult. > If I were to reject paid work involving MS-Windows and > (proprietary) Unix, I would need to find paid work outside of > software development. > I was prepared to do that if necessary in 1984. Fortunately I > did not have to. Maybe you wouldn't either. Maybe I wouldn't. The point I made is that I AM NOT PREPARED to do it. The tenor of your post seems to be I should feel some sort of guilt, some sort of personal inadequacy. I don't and I won't. I will, however, continue to implement, advocate and advance free software, as best as I can. > As far as I can, I run only free software at home. However my > PC's BIOS is not free, > On fsf.org there are recommendations for PCs that run with a free BIOS. Thanks! I'll have a look there the next time I need a new PC. [ .... ] > Sadly, the freedom in free software doesn't excite most people - > Emacs's capabilities do, though. > Have you seen any cases where that eventually led a person to switch > from proprietary software to free software? Well, that's not a binary thing. Seeing Emacs has caused people to use free software more, and to use more free software. Many projects I've been on have run on a Windows or Unix company network, but have used GCC, GNU Make, bash, and friends to build the product. I've introduced quite a few people to Emacs, the odd one or two to GAWK, ...., and they're probably still using them. One or two are probably using GNU/Linux on their home PCs, too. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).