From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:21:38 +0200 Message-ID: <20080729062138.GE8362@tomas> References: <863alzd1mi.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <20080726080304.GA1419@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217312177 27652 80.91.229.12 (29 Jul 2008 06:16:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:16:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Barry Fishman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 29 08:17:07 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KNiWA-0000nQ-GX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:17:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33995 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KNiVG-0003oh-7p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:16:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KNiVB-0003oY-IW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:16:05 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KNiV9-0003oE-V6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:16:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=60497 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KNiV9-0003oB-Q8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:16:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:56895) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KNiV5-0001jW-El; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:15:59 -0400 Original-Received: from alextrapp1.equinoxe.de ([217.22.192.104] helo=www.elogos.de) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KNiV3-0008Mt-JN; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:15:57 -0400 Original-Received: by www.elogos.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0BB72900D6; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:21:38 +0200 (CEST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15+20070412 (2007-04-11) X-detected-kernel: by mx20.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101671 Archived-At: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 09:00:19PM -0400, Barry Fishman wrote: > Richard M Stallman writes: > > For example, one should ultimately be able to do things like have > > GnuCash use Emacs/TTY code to display in text windows. > > > > It is a useful goal. Do you want to work on trying to design a way t= o > > do this? Preferably it should not involve linking parts of Emacs wit= h > > GNUcash. Too unmodular. Better to have them communicate somehow. >=20 > It is a matter of where you draw the module boundaries [...] > Does integration of Emacs into the GNU Desktop mean that Emacs just > starts picking up Gnome and dbus facilities, and dropping portability > concerns, or does it becomes a source of components and ideas that can > be used in other applications. Otherwise I am afraid that the "make GN= U > look like Windows" people will bury us in the sort of fragile C++ > monoliths like Firefox, that leave most everyone out. Note that the basic architecture of Firefox is very much parallel to that of Emacs: a C[++] core and a scripting layer on top to write most of the user functionality in (Javascript + XML). Not that I am a big fan of Javascript (even less of XML), I'd take Lisp over it any day, and the sheer bloatyness of Firefox gives me the feeping creeps, but just to point that out. > I think freedom is not just having source, and the permission to make > changes and distribute them. Its also about it being straightforward t= o > actually modify applications [...] Amen. Also called the "low hacktivation energy". Regards - -- tom=C3=A1s -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIjrbxBcgs9XrR2kYRAkwDAJ9rr2op2wtYDg8DjyCWUs57Fbe4yACdGgSl L9tR2yZ9smuDSON7LhjOXq0=3D =3DwjKk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----