From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dan Nicolaescu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: VMS support Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:41:08 -0700 Message-ID: <200807272141.m6RLf81i023496@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> References: <87iquzmcxm.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87d4l76ntu.fsf@ambire.localdomain> <8763qznhfd.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87k5fcc2ui.fsf@ambire.localdomain> <873alz681f.fsf@ambire.localdomain> <200807241655.m6OGtiqp008494@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200807271841.m6RIftSS024933@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200807271906.m6RJ6VOw008253@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200807271951.m6RJpC5s000478@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217194972 21586 80.91.229.12 (27 Jul 2008 21:42:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:42:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Thien-Thi Nguyen , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 27 23:43:41 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KNE1j-0000MV-TB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:43:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55774 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KNE0o-0007FI-NP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:42:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KNE0L-00072r-CO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:42:13 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KNE0K-00072T-8k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:42:12 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=48770 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KNE0K-00072O-3N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:42:12 -0400 Original-Received: from sallyv1.ics.uci.edu ([128.195.1.109]:35653) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA1:24) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KNE0J-0005qE-IQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:42:12 -0400 X-ICS-MailScanner-Watermark: 1217799670.11692@laozAul1tfVRKrpO5iwYDg Original-Received: from mothra.ics.uci.edu (mothra.ics.uci.edu [128.195.6.93]) by sallyv1.ics.uci.edu (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m6RLf81i023496; Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:41:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:44:39 -0400") Original-Lines: 23 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@mothra.ics.uci.edu X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101602 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > > That's what I've been saying, its absolutely _not_ minor. > > Keeping the ChangeLog on the side, as well as the list of files to `cvs > rm' seems like very minor annoyances. Compared to the cost of finding > the parts of the code that uses Carbon, then finding the places that > refer to those places, ... Maybe you don't think so because you'd > already done most of the work of finding the relevant places, but then > you just have a *perception* of a high marginal cost. Sorry, but repeating the same thing to someone that has the personal practical experience of the things discussed is not exactly productive, and obviously pointless. > > So the question is, will you continue this policy? > > Yes. As I said, if you don't want to do this job, then just leave the > old code in its place: we've been living with it for years, so it's > not like it's urgent to remove it. Fine. Dealing with silly, pointless red tape is not exactly the best way to do volunteer work.