From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 12:24:00 +0000 Message-ID: <20080714122400.GB3445@muc.de> References: <4eb0089f0807111217m66d6cf4el777c197c107ce034@mail.gmail.com> <87skug6tq5.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4eb0089f0807111345h13eccdds9b2cf43370b94074@mail.gmail.com> <4eb0089f0807121340x5e26f6dbve03ef50b238f3a3a@mail.gmail.com> <87k5fph5rh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080713214648.GB1076@muc.de> <20080713225327.GC1076@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216036748 27858 80.91.229.12 (14 Jul 2008 11:59:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Alfred M. Szmidt" , emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, drobinow@gmail.com To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 14 13:59:55 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KIMi8-0003bc-SZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:59:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40347 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KIMhG-0007YF-RS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:58:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KIMhB-0007WV-Kp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:58:21 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KIMh9-0007Vn-8g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:58:20 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=51297 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KIMh9-0007Vi-3V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:58:19 -0400 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:1862 helo=mail.muc.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KIMh8-0001CX-9z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:58:18 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 83341 invoked by uid 3782); 14 Jul 2008 11:58:16 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (pD9E53A92.dip.t-dialin.net [217.229.58.146]) by colin2.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:58:13 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 4535 invoked by uid 1000); 14 Jul 2008 12:24:00 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.5 (Fettercairn) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100678 Archived-At: Hi, Miles, On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 07:45:10PM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: > Alan Mackenzie writes: > >> Getting a printer working was trivial as well, I did not even need > >> to specify the driver. > > Good for you! It just worked. You had a magic spell in your > > distribution. They either work 100% or totally fail. In the latter > > case, they give you NO information to help you diagnose things. > > They say, in effect "don't worry your pretty little head about this, > > leave everything to me". > Of course, that's how _everything_ on windows works. If it doesn't do > the right thing, well, you're fucked, go buy a new computer. The point is that installing MS-Windows _works_. Most of the time, pretty painlessly. I've done it for a friend a few times. There was no need for me to crawl through HOWTOs or search out kernel documentation to make it work. That has not been my experience of GNU/Linux, in particular Debian Sarge and some older versions of SuSE. I accept that others have had better experiences installing G/L. Please don't construe this as me advocating MS-Windows. I'm not. It's just that reality doesn't go away when you shut your eyes. > -Miles -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).