From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:58:10 +0000 Message-ID: <20080714115810.GA3445@muc.de> References: <4eb0089f0807111217m66d6cf4el777c197c107ce034@mail.gmail.com> <87skug6tq5.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4eb0089f0807111345h13eccdds9b2cf43370b94074@mail.gmail.com> <4eb0089f0807121340x5e26f6dbve03ef50b238f3a3a@mail.gmail.com> <87k5fph5rh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080713214648.GB1076@muc.de> <20080713225327.GC1076@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216035168 22780 80.91.229.12 (14 Jul 2008 11:32:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:32:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, drobinow@gmail.com To: "Alfred M. Szmidt" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 14 13:33:34 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KIMJC-00044n-2z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:33:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44033 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KIMIJ-0002Ui-Jf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:32:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KIMID-0002Sr-TL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:32:33 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KIMIA-0002RI-W6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:32:33 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=58807 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KIMIA-0002RF-Nw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:32:30 -0400 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:2394 helo=mail.muc.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KIMIA-0004FF-54 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:32:30 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 74258 invoked by uid 3782); 14 Jul 2008 11:32:28 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (pD9E53A92.dip.t-dialin.net [217.229.58.146]) by colin2.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 14 Jul 2008 13:32:24 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 4171 invoked by uid 1000); 14 Jul 2008 11:58:10 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.5 (Fettercairn) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100676 Archived-At: Good day, Alfred, On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 06:27:57AM -0400, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > I challenge you to write a recipe, suitable for a newbie without an > internet connection, how to get a GNU/Linux system connected to the > internet, on the assumption that any magic spells supplied by the > distribution have failed. Point out where he can find the > necessary info, and how he could discover that that is where he has > to look. > http://www.gnewsense.org/ A sarcastic patronising non-answer. I'm sure the original poster, without an internet connection, is just going to thank you for that, head off to that site, say "WOW! How could I have missed this?" and have his internet connection working within half an hour. If only. What really gets up my nose in this whole thread is the attitude that if somebody can't get G/L installed, the fault lies with that person, not with the software developers/packagers. Even more so, that the said person who, quite understandibly, baulks at the unbounded time and tedium it takes to complete an installation gets sneered at for not "placing a high value on freedom". And Richard, in particular, if somebody feeds the name of their system through cut -d/ -f2 would you PLEASE not get sarcastic at them. It makes you look like a jerk, and it makes me feel embarrassed at being on the same mailing list. Surely you can ask people courteously to say "GNU/Linux". It happens often enough that you could put pertinent boilerplate onto a key sequence. So far in this thread, I think exactly one person has offered the OP friendly help in setting up a free system. The said poster seems to have dropped out of the thread. I can't blame him. furrfu! -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).