From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andreas =?iso-8859-1?q?R=F6hler?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Copyright question Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:35:20 +0200 Message-ID: <200806131235.22170.andreas.roehler@online.de> References: <82BFC2C8-9E38-491F-863D-1C420AB13882@uva.nl> <200806131055.15329.andreas.roehler@online.de> <20080613094454.GA2618@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1213353372 16278 80.91.229.12 (13 Jun 2008 10:36:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:36:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , Carsten Dominik To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 13 12:36:55 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K76eK-0001fg-Vw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:36:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56958 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K76dV-00035n-VD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 06:36:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K76dO-00034L-E2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 06:35:54 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K76dJ-0002ys-Ge for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 06:35:53 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=53447 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K76dJ-0002yj-AJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 06:35:49 -0400 Original-Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.171]:55235) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K76dI-0001Hg-Jy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 06:35:48 -0400 Original-Received: from noname (p54BEA148.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.190.161.72]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKxQS-1K76cj41VG-0000fQ; Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:35:14 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 20070904.708012) In-Reply-To: <20080613094454.GA2618@muc.de> Content-Disposition: inline X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19tzmLb6OAg9EGqqjE8dVtZIp+zQLjNDFeDzdb Lri7hK4GiLvhFRLorFfdBAd3p4IY0z08c569V4VSqstKnbWKTu IN9Bun3riSmViyCODBomA== X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:99086 Archived-At: Am Freitag, 13. Juni 2008 schrieb Alan Mackenzie: > 'n Morgen Andreas! >=20 > On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:55:14AM +0200, Andreas R=F6hler wrote: > > Am Freitag, 13. Juni 2008 schrieb Glenn Morris: > > > "??smail D=F6nmez" wrote: >=20 > > > > Of course he can relicense it >=20 > > > This was not as obvious to me as it was to others, since we assign > > > our past and future rights to the FSF. But looking at the details, > > > they grant rights back to the original author, so if there is a > > > "pristine" version of org.texi that is solely your own work, you can > > > probably do what you like with it. >=20 > > What means "pristine"? New from the scratch? >=20 > No, the state it was in before others edited it. >=20 > > Copyright-assigment policy will lead to burocracy. >=20 > Yes. But it also prevents other, worse, bureaucracy (yes, it's much > easier to spell in German ;-). >=20 > > It will discourage people and stiffle their creativity. And probably it > > will shadow reputation of FSF, which is to deplore not only for Emacs's > > sake. >=20 > It hasn't stifled my creativity. What the copyright assignment is really > about is when "my" copyright is violated, I've got the FSF to take up the > legal cudgels, something I couldn't do on my own. >=20 [ ... ] Hi, Gru=DF nach N=FCrnberg, let aside some stipulations in the assigment itself: In case of GPL violations FSF could pay the lawyer and take over the legal fees (as getting your right from courts and have it are fairly different kind of things in this world :)). With respect to the financial consequences, should once cap. 8 (Termination) of GPL_v3 come into consideration for businesses, I have some (abstract) fears: A kind of GPL-violations-industry might rise up. We have seen such "humanitarian" industries already in other areas, making lawyers rich but ruin common people and businesses. At least that's not freedom. And sure, that's not nowadays FSF's intention. Thanks all Andreas R=F6hler