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From: tomas@tuxteam.de
To: Patrick Drechsler <patrick@pdrechsler.de>
Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: 23.0.60; [nxml] BOM and utf-8
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 06:17:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080522041745.GA29437@tomas> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87mymjs2qw.fsf@pdrechsler.de>

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On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:37:11AM +0200, Patrick Drechsler wrote:
> Patrick Drechsler <patrick@pdrechsler.de> writes:

This would be rather a question to w3.org, but...

> > ,----[ http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/REC-xml-20060816/#charencoding ]
> > | Entities encoded in UTF-16 MUST and entities encoded in UTF-8 MAY
> > | begin with the Byte Order Mark [...]
> > |        [...]  XML processors MUST be able to use this character to
> > | differentiate between UTF-8 and UTF-16 encoded documents.
> > `----

...and how are the XML processors supposed to achieve that? Is there a
second variant of BOM, indicating UTF-8?

> > and
> >
> > ,----[ http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/REC-xml-20060816/#sec-guessing-with-ext-info ]
> > | If an XML entity is in a file, the Byte-Order Mark and encoding
> > | declaration are used (if present) to determine the character encoding.
> > `----

...or is rather the absence of a BOM the indicator for UTF-8?

Am I completely whacko, or are they?

Sorry. I am confused.

Ah, and BTW: interpreting the BOM as whitespace is not that far off --
as stated in <http://unicode.org/faq/utf_bom.html#38>:

 | Q: What should I do with U+FEFF in the middle of a file?
 | 
 | A: In the absence of a protocol supporting its use as a BOM and when not
 | at the beginning of a text stream, U+FEFF should normally not occur. For
 | backwards compatibility it should be treated as ZERO WIDTH NON-BREAKING
 | SPACE (ZWNBSP), and is then part of the content of the file or string.
 [...]

But that would be "in the middle of a file", not at the beginning, as
our case is.

I'd appreciate any insights.

Thanks
- -- tomás
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-05-22  4:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2008-05-17 12:31 ` 23.0.60; [nxml] BOM and utf-8 Patrick Drechsler
2008-05-17 14:13   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-05-17 16:57     ` Patrick Drechsler
2008-05-17 20:38   ` Mark A. Hershberger
2008-05-21 22:20     ` Patrick Drechsler
2008-05-21 22:37       ` Patrick Drechsler
2008-05-22  1:33         ` Mark A. Hershberger
2008-05-22 14:43           ` Tom Tromey
2008-05-22 21:24             ` Miles Bader
2008-05-22  4:17         ` tomas [this message]
2008-05-22  4:33           ` Miles Bader
2008-05-22  8:28             ` Jason Rumney
2008-05-27  8:22             ` tomas
2008-05-22 17:34           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-05-23  9:05             ` tomas
2008-05-23 21:23               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-05-27  8:20                 ` tomas
2008-05-18  2:29   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-05-18  2:30     ` Miles Bader
2008-05-18  3:19       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-18  4:19         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-05-18  8:56         ` Jason Rumney
2008-05-18 11:00           ` Patrick Drechsler
2008-05-19  3:11             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-05-19 14:32               ` Patrick Drechsler
2008-05-19 18:56                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-05-20 15:16                   ` Patrick Drechsler
2008-05-18 15:19           ` joakim
2008-05-18  4:13       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-05-18  5:40         ` Miles Bader
2008-05-18  9:14         ` David Kastrup
2008-05-19  3:05           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-05-18 23:40             ` David Kastrup
2008-05-19 20:34               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-05-19 20:57                 ` David Kastrup
2008-05-19 23:36                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-05-20  7:13                     ` David Kastrup
2008-05-30  2:47                       ` Kenichi Handa
2008-05-30  3:44                         ` Miles Bader
2008-05-30  3:59                           ` Kenichi Handa
2008-05-19  6:32             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-12-20  9:40   ` bug#269: marked as done (23.0.60; [nxml] BOM and utf-8) Emacs bug Tracking System

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