From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:57:28 +0000 Message-ID: <20080421205728.GD4554@muc.de> References: <004a01c8a1a0$7215cdd0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <878wz9btq8.fsf@jurta.org> <85fxthy4qp.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87hcdxz9zr.fsf_-_@jurta.org> <480C112F.1030407@emf.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1208810484 4035 80.91.229.12 (21 Apr 2008 20:41:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:41:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: juri@jurta.org, Eli Zaretskii , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Thomas Lord Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 21 22:41:58 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jo2pe-0000N4-3T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:41:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jo2oV-0005fF-Vb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:40:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jo2oQ-0005es-Qv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:40:30 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jo2oK-0005dw-BQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:40:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jo2oK-0005dt-4v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:40:24 -0400 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1] helo=mail.muc.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jo2oF-00064I-SJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:40:24 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 90597 invoked by uid 3782); 21 Apr 2008 20:39:30 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p57AF6387.dip.t-dialin.net [87.175.99.135]) by colin2.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:39:27 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 12826 invoked by uid 1000); 21 Apr 2008 20:57:28 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <480C112F.1030407@emf.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.5 (Fettercairn) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:95703 Archived-At: Hi, Thomas! On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 08:59:43PM -0700, Thomas Lord wrote: > Richard Stallman wrote: > >Here's a possible idea: enable delete-selection-mode by default but > >only after shift-selection and mouse-selection. > A useful "quasi-quantization" to consider is how many bits of state a > user must keep in mind to accurately predict the dynamically variable > behavior of self-insert-command. (One is probably pushing it and I > gather that emacs is going well into N>1 territory. Bummer.) I think this is the most important point in this discussion (and many others). An essential feature of Emacs is that N = 0, or at least has been until recently. That is what distinguishes it from both vi and typical lesser editors, and IMAO is a critical part of what makes Emacs such a joy to use. > -t -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).