From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dan Nicolaescu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: function arguments downcased in help buffers Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:37:07 -0700 Message-ID: <200804151537.m3FFb71U018970@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> References: <200804150020.m3F0KBMo012038@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200804150504.m3F53xoY007750@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200804151425.m3FEPLAJ005918@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1208275442 15907 80.91.229.12 (15 Apr 2008 16:04:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:04:02 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Glenn Morris , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Juanma Barranquero" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 15 18:04:25 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JlnGI-0005Qn-PH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:39:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JlnFe-0007Ch-7W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:39:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JlnFD-0006j5-AX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:38:51 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JlnFA-0006g9-ET for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:38:50 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JlnFA-0006fr-8S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:38:48 -0400 Original-Received: from sallyv1.ics.uci.edu ([128.195.1.109]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA1:24) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JlnF4-00047j-Oy; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:38:43 -0400 X-ICS-MailScanner-Watermark: 1208878628.68706@utc7REKLbzwDRXvjLvw3OA Original-Received: from mothra.ics.uci.edu (mothra.ics.uci.edu [128.195.6.93]) by sallyv1.ics.uci.edu (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m3FFb71U018970; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:37:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:00:05 +0200") Original-Lines: 41 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@mothra.ics.uci.edu X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:95282 Archived-At: "Juanma Barranquero" writes: > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Dan Nicolaescu wrote: > > > Maybe they are lower case in your setup (Windows?), they very much are > > in mine. > > My point was/is that is defined that way. That might have been your intention, but that is not what you actually said, and what I was replying to. > Whether it is not working for some font backend / font combination > is another issue altogether (a bug, to be precise). > > lucidasanstypewriter used to be (maybe still is) the > > one of the more popular fixed width fonts. > > There are lots of fixed width fonts. DejaVu Sans Mono, for example, is > increasingly popular (and it works OK with this feature). This is unrelated to what I wrote and the context I wrote it in. DejaVu Sans Mono is also not useful to X11 emacs for emacs 22, AFAICT it is not available as a core X font. > > The face is not a problem, but it is just odd to downcase the text. > > I do consider this a bug, but if everyone likes that as a default, then > > so be it. > > It is already clear that it is a feature you don't like, but I find it > a bit insulting that you keep referring to it as a "bug". This type of attitude is one of the reasons emacs-devel is such an unpleasant environment lately. The discussion was about a feature that recently changed behavior, and the statement you replied to was clearly labeled as _a personal opinion_ and clearly stated that it didn't require a change if that is what most people want. Stating that criticism of a feature is an insult is a clear way to drive people way from any type of discussion.