From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Preserving sanity in Emacs [Re: rampant region highlighting] Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 22:28:58 +0000 Message-ID: <20080407222858.GF2078@muc.de> References: <47F945C3.1060103@harpegolden.net> <20080406230056.GB5362@muc.de> <8763uuegf4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1207606445 9586 80.91.229.12 (7 Apr 2008 22:14:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 22:14:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Glenn Morris , David De La Harpe Golden , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 08 00:14:35 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JizaZ-0003Of-8B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 00:13:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JizZv-0007YD-Ru for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:12:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JizZs-0007Vf-8O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:12:36 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JizZq-0007RI-Kw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:12:35 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JizZq-0007R7-Ab for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:12:34 -0400 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1] helo=mail.muc.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JizZp-0002XX-RL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:12:34 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 46346 invoked by uid 3782); 7 Apr 2008 22:12:32 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p57AF7332.dip.t-dialin.net [87.175.115.50]) by colin2.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Tue, 08 Apr 2008 00:12:29 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 13201 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Apr 2008 22:28:58 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8763uuegf4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.5 (Fettercairn) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:94634 Archived-At: Hi, Yidong! On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 07:01:51PM -0400, Chong Yidong wrote: > Alan Mackenzie writes: [ .... ] > If you want to avoid tmm entirely, you could, y'know, avoid using the > mouse... Yes, of course. And I will. But that's not the point. I _care_ deeply about Emacs, like everybody else on this mailing list. Not just about how you can configure it, but how it appears to the new user. I want the hacker who takes up Emacs 23, or 24, or 25, to get that same "Eureka!" feeling that I got way back when. The feeling that Emacs is _different_, that it's _right_, that it's _special_ - that when you ask a question, the answer is "yes". -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).