From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mike Mattie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: gathering data on how people use Emacs Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:23:21 -0700 Message-ID: <20080326142321.6685e7d1@reforged> References: <20080324161300.191df4b6@reforged> <87bq531u1s.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87prtixtvx.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <20080325175140.2bcbc83e@reforged> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/fxt0eAfPlxxlxC5M88te./T"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1206566963 25431 80.91.229.12 (26 Mar 2008 21:29:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:29:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bob@rattlesnake.com To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 26 22:29:54 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JedBq-0004Rs-Vv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:29:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JedBF-0001ta-JM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:29:09 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JedAk-0001fh-29 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:28:38 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JedAd-0001bf-Ns for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:28:36 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JedAd-0001bQ-GL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:28:31 -0400 Original-Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.180]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JedAd-0007Gn-4J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:28:31 -0400 Original-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k34so4637781wah.10 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:28:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type; bh=FgBNy0iQhY8Vzq5TMjOpK9/LjPxELts2ereCQD1xtRk=; b=Zl2J/vbPBpLfu3Vpw8Z4ND35E+lO6cfhEHXYn8+Bu+ZsCY/b5Q4a4Sz9QPO4D01OkiqduEerloguuT/s0CtCUEvTjjC904wqHByWlGFI6Ge40RAuda8Ay2UEh8c+wXIU4Dwhcsz9J+BW/LoHq2VVOZCzAnAvL+GbPY0FQV90Cp8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type; b=kcKuBuYUL4A1I3KOL+EEvFw8NY2+8CjIyZL4LhV7XcwDamcxi/MnwNrLHFE58vwmGNVdTxkAq/E48jhzsfOjo6ylelI4j4D1QC41hYvy75uYcXcUrWgv0IEqoUCK9Gv8OzyHgrUUvtSQ/0YDZcjA9+wMt4q3zA/UIqkwi/nyNmA= Original-Received: by 10.114.134.20 with SMTP id h20mr184874wad.91.1206566909847; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from reforged ( [71.217.206.83]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n20sm21401321pof.6.2008.03.26.14.28.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:28:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.8; i686-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:93558 Archived-At: --Sig_/fxt0eAfPlxxlxC5M88te./T Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:28:58 +0000 (UTC) "Robert J. Chassell" wrote: > Here are some basic questions I thought of ... >=20 > use of mouse ? 0-4 >=20 > That is a bad question since there are times with mouse control of the > cursor when a sighted person should use it and other times not -- for > example, it makes sense when moving to a different and distant part of > the buffer that is visible on the screen. =20 >=20 > (When moving forward a character or word, it makes sense to invoke the > commands `forward-char' and `forward-word' with `C-f' and `M-f' > respectively. You waste more of your life, that is to say, are less > efficent, if you move your hands to use either arrow keys or the > menu.) >=20 > Permanently and situationally blind people should not use a mouse; for > example, few people want other drivers to take their eyes off the road > to look at a mouse cursor. >=20 > Most useful Modes ? >=20 > Another bad question, since modes should be used when appropriate. > Thus, when using Mail mode you should not be programming Emacs Lisp. > (You can use the *scratch* buffer for that.) >=20 > There are other poor questions in that list. I would not use it. >=20 Maybe you understood the purpose of the questions, but maybe you didn't. Th= e idea of the questions is to figure out how people are using Emacs. Personally I don't use Emacs w= hile driving, but if someone wanted to add that as a rationale for mouse =3D 0 .... Some people even use Emacs to respond to a survey question list with tutori= als :) I would like to know what pieces of 3rd party elisp are most commonly used,= the degree to which it is used in practice, etc. The experience stuff is obvious. The mouse thing is = important for how people use Emacs. Modes indicate applications: what people use Emacs for. could you suggest some better/fairer questions then ? --Sig_/fxt0eAfPlxxlxC5M88te./T Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH6r7JdfRchrkBInkRAtybAJ9QwgzZ2QGtA81iusGULT0tHmGF8QCbBjUd QdiD5xbuKb7rJdIQ/ARic2Q= =SaVa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/fxt0eAfPlxxlxC5M88te./T--