From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mike Mattie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: gathering data on how people use Emacs Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:51:40 -0700 Message-ID: <20080325175140.2bcbc83e@reforged> References: <20080324161300.191df4b6@reforged> <87bq531u1s.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87prtixtvx.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/n2Hp0./pB.hPzQfGwKR964f"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1206492978 25644 80.91.229.12 (26 Mar 2008 00:56:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:56:18 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 26 01:56:48 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JeJwe-0002SN-6E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Mar 2008 01:56:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JeJw2-00057F-TN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:56:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JeJvy-00056w-Ku for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:56:06 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JeJvx-00056k-85 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:56:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JeJvx-00056h-1x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:56:05 -0400 Original-Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.177]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JeJvw-0000ee-5I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:56:04 -0400 Original-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k34so4270994wah.10 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:56:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type; bh=uCfkgjxSJmHlP20+VPirnx/G5kslGKaQVA5vGCWvPtY=; b=qXUzkmk1Uj/eMm9zioY/v9v91hmlN5WE917IfDmYE4YAz44Tiu9vq5M8MbZ9emwC3AnBjI7sL3M1IbHgXFWTpJt4zq9fCRkJWRRZZype0fZqjgLAmZOE37Gm6PRFBi1nKvBDRsEz3FnbGmeipcuarqMCIi2K4+tROlRB7qFa+XI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type; b=Xpw9PTqM6xXptZcQHPerv930UwL0br9YQDwAfur2QLsNFXgYMO1pQo+5yXWQFqeY8rg0Eq/5jaRuEpkP7SMd+aRilt0njpNPoKNfFIB8IEtt5z0I0m4PkF9IapfrS+4PNvOrncw7dNCtfWyag/K/1ADm2pdMQhQzGBZzRZP5Nmc= Original-Received: by 10.115.14.1 with SMTP id r1mr14191718wai.97.1206492962840; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:56:02 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from reforged ( [71.217.206.83]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q18sm18971069pog.12.2008.03.25.17.56.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:56:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87prtixtvx.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.8; i686-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:93475 Archived-At: --Sig_/n2Hp0./pB.hPzQfGwKR964f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:32:02 +0100 Bastien wrote: > Richard Stallman writes: >=20 > > Polling the users is not a matter of simply counting votes. > > The most important part of the answer is "why". > > What is the scenario in which a certain feature is helpful > > or inconvenient? What aspect of it is helpful or > > inconvenient? >=20 > Fully agreed. =20 >=20 > I suggested simple questions, not simple answers. >=20 > > Thus, trying to use better technology to count votes is missing > > the point of the poll. >=20 > Yes. The whole point of using the form I proposed is precisely to get > detailed comments and scenarii, not raw yes/no. >=20 > If people suggest a list of questions and associated fields for such a > poll, I'd happily draft a new one. >=20 Here are some basic questions I thought of to give some context. It's hard to ask directly for the information you want without loading the = questions, so I fell back on some basic background information as a starting place. What was the motive or appeal that sustained your climb of the Emacs learni= ng curve ? What quality keeps Emacs indispensable ? Years of Emacs Experience ? Programming Experience: 0-9 Primary applications, or what do you use Emacs for pre-dominantly ? apps,we= b dev, books ? Native language ? Age ? use of mouse ? 0-4 Most useful Modes ? Least useful Modes ? Size of .emacs ? How do you go about learning a new Emacs feature you need ? subscribed to emacs-devel y/n subscribed to help-gnu-emacs y/n systems you use Emacs on ? (autoconf triplets) Emacs version ? External Elisp packages used: (significant to daily workflow at least) Most difficult command to learn ? Easiest command to learn ? command with best DWIM ? command with worst DWIM ? Use marks for ? (what is a mark should be a valid answer)=20 favorite movie/book ? (throw at least one fun question in just so people do= n't get bored filling out a survey. Could do the "top 5" for the fun question). Cheers, Mike Mattie --Sig_/n2Hp0./pB.hPzQfGwKR964f Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH6Z4cdfRchrkBInkRAnO5AJwO/7RQn9Qmt3xjwNiAxRJJ/ZpwMQCgiw13 P6kzcT+lafrPkwchKZBf9Rs= =8JDX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/n2Hp0./pB.hPzQfGwKR964f--