From: Mike Mattie <codermattie@gmail.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Transient Mark Mode on by default
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:01:19 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080324160119.4244bd17@reforged> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2r6dzn4e7.fsf@kenny.sha-bang.de>
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:28:16 +0100
Sascha Wilde <wilde@sha-bang.de> wrote:
> "paul r" <paul.r.ml@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Most average developpers I know will simply never tweak any of the
> > piece of software they use.
> [...]
> > I think emacs customization process is already fairly good. But many
> > beginners will simply give up *before* even discovering M-x
> > customize
>
> To be honest: I don't care to much about that kind of people. There
> is a fair amount of software out there to suit there (limited?) needs
> -- please don't try to make Emacs just another one of these.
>
> I like Emacs for being driven by "doing the right thing" and by that
> aiming to become the perfect tool from hackers for hackers[0].
>
> By all means: educate those who are willing to learn: don't make it
> unnecessarily hard for them and point them in the right direction,
> e.g. by pointing out that customization is crucial to make Emacs
> "yours".
>
> But _pretty please_ don't choose the defaults on what joe average
> programmers would expect.
I second this as well. I also find the entire concept of a "average joe"
to be profoundly wrong. Some people may lack the initiative to search
for a better way, but that does not mean that they do not have the capacity
for it. Let Emacs be a refuge for progress, average is not a legacy.
"
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.
" - Emma Lazarus http://www.bartleby.com/59/6/givemeyourti.html
> cheers
> sascha
>
> [0] btw. I think that a significant number of those folks you are
> talking about will not know the meaning of the word "hacker" in
> the sense I'm using it here. Coincidence? I don't think so... ;-)
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Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-03-23 23:00 Transient Mark Mode on by default Chong Yidong
2008-03-24 10:15 ` Tassilo Horn
2008-03-24 11:55 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-24 13:06 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-24 13:28 ` Tassilo Horn
2008-03-24 13:57 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-24 15:05 ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-24 15:15 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-24 20:09 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-24 20:32 ` Drew Adams
2008-03-24 21:02 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-25 18:31 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-30 19:19 ` M Jared Finder
2008-03-30 19:34 ` Peter Danenberg
2008-03-30 19:42 ` paul r
2008-03-30 19:47 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-30 20:24 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-30 20:29 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-30 20:37 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-31 3:10 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-31 7:48 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-31 9:42 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-31 9:18 ` Jason Rumney
2008-03-30 21:51 ` Mike Mattie
2008-03-30 22:16 ` M Jared Finder
2008-03-31 7:46 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-31 8:00 ` M Jared Finder
2008-03-31 8:07 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-30 19:45 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-30 20:29 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-30 22:42 ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-30 23:11 ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-30 23:50 ` William Xu
2008-03-31 3:23 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-31 3:36 ` William Xu
2008-03-31 16:25 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-31 18:08 ` Thomas Lord
2008-04-01 0:20 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-04-01 0:40 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-01 1:24 ` Thomas Lord
2008-04-01 1:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-01 6:14 ` David Kastrup
2008-04-01 21:34 ` Chong Yidong
2008-04-02 13:53 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-04-02 16:27 ` Chong Yidong
2008-04-02 17:34 ` Richard Stallman
2008-04-02 18:05 ` Drew Adams
2008-04-02 22:07 ` Richard Stallman
2008-04-02 20:27 ` Chong Yidong
2008-04-02 21:29 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-04-06 10:09 ` cua-selection-mode by default (was: Transient Mark Mode on by default) David Kastrup
2008-04-01 21:04 ` Transient Mark Mode on by default Richard Stallman
2008-04-01 21:05 ` Richard Stallman
2008-04-01 21:53 ` Thomas Lord
2008-04-02 7:45 ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-24 22:34 ` Drew Adams
2008-03-25 1:45 ` Bastien
2008-03-25 1:41 ` Bastien
2008-03-24 17:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-24 19:54 ` paul r
2008-03-24 20:36 ` Drew Adams
2008-03-24 20:57 ` paul r
2008-03-24 21:04 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-24 21:42 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-24 21:23 ` Drew Adams
2008-03-29 9:18 ` Jari Aalto
2008-03-24 22:28 ` Sascha Wilde
2008-03-24 23:01 ` Mike Mattie [this message]
2008-03-24 23:11 ` paul r
2008-03-24 23:34 ` Mike Mattie
2008-03-24 23:44 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-24 23:57 ` paul r
2008-03-25 1:54 ` Bastien
2008-03-25 11:25 ` paul r
2008-03-25 23:49 ` Bastien
2008-03-26 8:49 ` paul r
2008-03-24 22:15 ` Honoring traditional defaults [was: Transient Mark Mode on by default] Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-24 22:47 ` Honoring traditional defaults [was: Transient Mark Mode on bydefault] Drew Adams
2008-03-24 23:29 ` paul r
2008-03-24 23:33 ` Drew Adams
2008-03-25 7:37 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-03-25 2:06 ` Honoring traditional defaults Bastien
2008-03-25 2:23 ` Bastien
2008-03-25 3:00 ` Mike Mattie
2008-03-25 5:23 ` Honoring traditional defaults [was: Transient Mark Mode on bydefault] Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-25 7:21 ` Honoring traditional defaults [was: Transient Mark Mode onbydefault] Drew Adams
2008-03-25 19:36 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-25 21:38 ` Honoring traditional defaults - how to do it. [was: Transient Mark Mode on bydefault] Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-25 21:42 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-25 22:26 ` Honoring traditional defaults - how to do it. [was: Transient MarkMode " Drew Adams
2008-03-25 23:53 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-26 1:49 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-03-25 22:28 ` Honoring traditional defaults - how to do it. [was: Transient Mark Mode " paul r
2008-03-25 23:31 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-31 16:24 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-31 21:12 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-04-02 2:53 ` Richard Stallman
2008-04-02 11:15 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-31 22:06 ` Mike Mattie
2008-03-24 23:22 ` Honoring traditional defaults Sascha Wilde
2008-03-24 23:38 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-25 12:23 ` Sascha Wilde
2008-03-25 5:17 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-25 0:12 ` Honoring traditional defaults [was: Transient Mark Mode on by default] Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-25 20:53 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-25 21:00 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-26 1:55 ` Mike Mattie
2008-03-26 7:01 ` Transient Mark Mode on by default Drew Adams
2008-03-26 6:54 ` Honoring traditional defaults [was: Transient Mark Mode on by default] Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-29 9:52 ` Jari Aalto
2008-03-24 18:40 ` Transient Mark Mode on by default Sascha Wilde
2008-03-24 19:09 ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-24 20:16 ` Sascha Wilde
2008-03-24 20:40 ` paul r
2008-03-24 20:55 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-25 3:21 ` Evans Winner
2008-03-24 20:46 ` Drew Adams
2008-03-24 21:47 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-25 0:29 ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-25 0:38 ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-25 8:16 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-03-24 22:27 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-25 0:07 ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-25 1:50 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-25 4:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-25 7:07 ` Drew Adams
2008-03-25 7:23 ` Drew Adams
2008-03-25 13:24 ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-25 13:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-25 14:19 ` Drew Adams
2008-03-26 4:47 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-27 2:53 ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-27 14:08 ` paul r
2008-03-25 7:14 ` Jan Djärv
2008-03-25 12:37 ` René Kyllingstad
2008-03-24 22:10 ` Mike Mattie
2008-03-24 23:44 ` Jason Rumney
2008-03-25 0:39 ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-25 1:17 ` Jason Rumney
2008-03-25 3:07 ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-25 7:07 ` Drew Adams
2008-03-25 8:28 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-03-25 21:01 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-26 0:50 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-03-25 2:12 ` Bastien
2008-03-25 2:50 ` Mike Mattie
2008-03-29 9:01 ` Jari Aalto
2008-03-31 22:48 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-04-01 0:14 ` Sebastian Rose
2008-04-01 1:09 ` Mike Mattie
2008-04-01 1:16 ` Mike Mattie
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2008-04-01 11:29 Robert J. Chassell
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