From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dan Nicolaescu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: mode-line tooltips for "[" and "]" in recursive-edit Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:04:17 -0700 Message-ID: <200803201704.m2KH4HVt023198@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> References: <200803201508.m2KF8C0S002150@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <006301c88aa9$ffafda40$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1206033133 25368 80.91.229.12 (20 Mar 2008 17:12:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:12:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 20 18:12:39 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JcOJ8-0004J8-G8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:12:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JcOIY-0003bg-22 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:11:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JcODX-0007XA-L8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:06:15 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JcODS-0007So-76 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:06:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JcODS-0007Sb-1p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:06:10 -0400 Original-Received: from sallyv1.ics.uci.edu ([128.195.1.109]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA1:24) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JcODR-0008PZ-Fu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:06:09 -0400 X-ICS-MailScanner-Watermark: 1206637458.30183@pUTDqyqUxpNW0eUDtAQPTQ Original-Received: from mothra.ics.uci.edu (mothra.ics.uci.edu [128.195.6.93]) by sallyv1.ics.uci.edu (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m2KH4HVt023198; Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:04:17 -0700 (PDT) Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <006301c88aa9$ffafda40$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 20 Mar 2008 09:46:51 -0700") Original-Lines: 32 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@mothra.ics.uci.edu X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:93048 Archived-At: Could you please respect the mail headers? (This is not the fist time you are doing this). "Drew Adams" writes: > > It would be nice if [ and ] that appear in the mode-line in > > recursive-edit had a tooltip explaining what they are. Such tooltips > > will be helpful for beginners. > > > > Can someone please add the tooltips? > > Why do you suggest a change and then, in the same breath, ask someone to go > ahead and install it? Isn't that jumping the gun a bit? It is jumping the gun when dealing with someone that just wants to nitpick. Someone that wants to cooperate can choose to actually discuss the idea. > I, for one, think this enhancement would be silly. Tooltips for the > mode-line abound already. The logic here is flawed: the fact that the mode-line has tooltips for other unrelated items has zero implications about the tooltips for recursive-edit. To explain why this is needed: good UI design provides clues for what the elements of the UI. Tooltips are a way to provide such clues, we use them already. Suggestions for alternative > Users can read the doc for []. There's no easy way for the users to find those docs.