From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mike Mattie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Bazaar repository Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:17:09 -0700 Message-ID: <20080318171709.2fc65141@reforged> References: <87skyvse7k.fsf@xmission.com> <86ejae96t4.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <47DA3601.3040507@arbash-meinel.com> <87r6ecsww7.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <200803180148.m2I1m0dB003724@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <87myov39k5.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <47E05AA3.6060306@emf.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/yDWrEO00HM2Tjqj+=pcb_w/"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205886016 14115 80.91.229.12 (19 Mar 2008 00:20:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:20:16 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 19 01:20:25 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jbm2Z-0008IG-8i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 19 Mar 2008 01:20:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jbm1z-0007wm-2n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:19:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jbm1N-0007cy-EQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:19:09 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jbm1K-0007af-GH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:19:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jbm1K-0007aR-BP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:19:06 -0400 Original-Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.237]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jbm1K-0006Gw-Ix for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:19:06 -0400 Original-Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 57so197169wri.12 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:19:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type; bh=aU7pEPqg3wG0rXbEYnED3V1pQiVjxWQ81fAls7Xvi1Y=; b=k/OeUWNZpHkM4QDJJQw8Rybxr5XnGV45fmVQct3EY6iKefXfnwM49cx9LaED6MuFZpv1KpAiQyZveWPdQcZb5ByOGhlziHly6MYLS4pVoGJCPZc95prxzKy2dZnu2CQz+tPampnYCF+7ukD+dgdGbyKDxhIJU/EXFQn/ssoVeaY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type; b=i0X4wWLqqmlPkzUEca2KXkRDxdGA++sUzXk/WUdghewzRQX619FJsYv91wynUzOrBzK7S7Bxb0XvjkSokD+xI97mimqW6dvIGVRyWL+ltzpb/dhtZgWq+Xf759TYuFWZXxrn4UHH/812244RFZlRnwriT65TZKzLjuyUnslhDGE= Original-Received: by 10.114.195.19 with SMTP id s19mr245975waf.58.1205885944691; Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:19:04 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from reforged ( [71.217.206.83]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j15sm37052594waf.51.2008.03.18.17.19.03 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:19:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <47E05AA3.6060306@emf.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.5; i686-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:92948 Archived-At: --Sig_/yDWrEO00HM2Tjqj+=pcb_w/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:13:23 -0700 Thomas Lord wrote: > Chong Yidong wrote: > > We could, y'know, stick with CVS. > > =20 >=20 >=20 > I'm not so sure that that's a crazy idea. =20 >=20 > You could add in a couple of shell scripts to do > fancy merging tricks and keep track of the history > of "patches" submitted and applied, keeping all of > that new meta-data under CVS. >=20 > Contributors could use git if they want, as long as > they don't mind using some of those scripts to prepare > patches to submit. >=20 > You get the "dvcs" effect that way, without changing > the vcs.... >=20 > If it's done in simple and clean ways then people > could add on features like web browsing interfaces > and "log" reporting features. If you were going to invest your time and skills into hacking on a VCS do y= ou really want to choose coding out-of-tree scripts for CVS ? Any ideas that would retro-fit DVCS features onto archaic VCS systems would be more effective for Emacs in vc I think. From there you could at least expect a normalized API for common VCS operations and a larger audience for your features. It seems better to work on a better future for a modern VCS system, all thi= ngs equal, than working on arranging the flowers at CVS's funeral. Your analysis from the Shift Selection thread is meticulous IMHO, this must= be a floater (idea). btw, I have coded some large shell scripts regretfully. Even basic string o= perations are not simple ; hence perl. I doubt that any fancy merging tricks can eme= rge in sane=20 form without writing a FOO -> bash compiler. The auto-tools suite is essentially useful, but I doubt anyone is thri= lled by maintaining autoconf. even if you get daring and use co-processes to leverage an external "t= o bash" translator to feedback complex semantics into your bash core, many,=20 if not most programs cannot read from pipes without SIGPIPE. The mmap = assumption is almost universal these days. If you need any more horror stories along these lines, I will share th= em privately :) >=20 > -t >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > > > > > > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Sig_/yDWrEO00HM2Tjqj+=pcb_w/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH4FuFdfRchrkBInkRAjppAJ9ey4t6ZM8NRUOc27BK+qIIzoN0QACgte/W rrAO92e0ttYbM9HIwhChozo= =PRXN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/yDWrEO00HM2Tjqj+=pcb_w/--