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From: Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu>
To: David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu <mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp>,
	Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
Subject: The Aquamacs fork (was Re: merging Emacs.app)
Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:01:38 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200803082201.m28M1c6j014753@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1C37B31F-8D73-4556-9EC4-F29517BCF0BA@gmail.com> (David Reitter's message of "Sat, 8 Mar 2008 18:59:14 +0000")

David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com> writes:

  > On 8 Mar 2008, at 18:34, Dan Nicolaescu wrote:
  > >>
  > >> In almost all cases, it is me (and really only me) reproducing and
  > >> tracing these bugs before or after reporting them.  If you prefer me
  > >> to ignore and swallow those user's bug reports,
  > >
  > > We prefer to hear about bugs in emacs-22.1, EMACS_22_BASE, and CVS
  > > HEAD,
  > > so it is better to reproduces the bugs on one of those versions using
  > > emacs -Q, and then report it here.
  > 
  > Sure, that's what I usually do. However, occasionally I can't
  > reproduce or even understand reports without the right knowledge.
  > There, collaboration is needed in the sense that some experts need to
  > give the right hint, as was just the case for this C++ mode bug.  This
  > kind of collaboration has worked arguably well for everyone involved
  > since 2005, and we have squashed a number of bugs in the Emacs 22 code
  > base (not in Aquamacs) this way.  So, I see no need to change the
  > modus operandi at this point.
  > 
  > PS.: Yes, the projects compete in some ways, and they collaborate in
  > others.  The publicity reflects that.

You seem to be arguing that forking Emacs is a good idea (and that is
what Aquamacs effectively is a fork).  You won't find many people (if
any) here agreeing with that.  And the fact that no significant attempt
has been made until now to merge features from Aquamacs to Emacs.

It is your right under GPL to fork, but that does not mean it is the
best thing to do.
It is much better to cooperate and try to add features specific to the
MacOS port back to Emacs.  This is what has made Emacs successful until
now, hundreds of people working on hundreds of different types of
machines and OSes have all added features.




  reply	other threads:[~2008-03-08 22:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 148+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-28 23:51 MAINTAINERS file Nick Roberts
2008-02-29  6:57 ` Karl Fogel
2008-02-29  7:05   ` Miles Bader
2008-02-29  9:57     ` Andreas Röhler
2008-02-29 10:30     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-29 11:25     ` Bastien
2008-02-29 11:32       ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-29 11:50         ` Bastien Guerry
2008-02-29 11:56           ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-29 12:05             ` Bastien
2008-02-29 12:11               ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-29 11:53       ` Miles Bader
2008-03-01  1:00     ` Xavier Maillard
2008-02-29  8:05   ` Glenn Morris
2008-02-29 11:21   ` Nick Roberts
2008-02-29 22:34     ` Karl Fogel
2008-02-29 23:28       ` Karl Fogel
2008-02-29 23:31         ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-01  6:28       ` Nick Roberts
2008-03-01  9:27       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-03-01 15:52         ` Karl Fogel
2008-03-01 19:49           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-03-01 23:09         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-02  5:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-02 21:16   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-03-02 21:33     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-03  3:20       ` Miles Bader
2008-03-03  4:33         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-03 12:55       ` Romain Francoise
2008-03-03 13:44         ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-03 15:05           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-03 15:23             ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-03 16:51           ` Karl Fogel
2008-03-03 17:01             ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-03 17:32               ` Jason Rumney
2008-03-03 18:16                 ` Leo
2008-03-03 21:58                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-03 22:07                   ` Jason Rumney
2008-03-03 22:10                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-03 22:28                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-03 22:35                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-03 22:55                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-03 22:57                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-03 17:13             ` paul r
2008-03-04  0:56               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-04  2:09                 ` Miles Bader
2008-03-04 17:37                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-04 18:15                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-04 22:18                     ` Glenn Morris
2008-03-05 21:33                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 22:18                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-05 22:33                           ` Miles Bader
2008-03-06 17:14                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-06 17:21                               ` Miles Bader
2008-03-06 18:12                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-06 20:14                                   ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-06 21:21                                     ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-07  0:10                                     ` Miles Bader
2008-03-07  4:10                                       ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-07  3:09                                         ` Miles Bader
2008-03-06  2:25                           ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-07  3:38                           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05  0:17                   ` Jason Earl
2008-03-05  2:27                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-05  3:11                       ` Miles Bader
2008-03-05  8:02                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-05 23:07                       ` Jason Earl
2008-03-06  8:33                         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-06 19:09                           ` Jason Earl
2008-03-06 19:19                             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-04 12:56                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-04 13:56                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-04 18:41                     ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2008-03-04 20:02                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-03-04 20:28                         ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2008-03-04 22:48                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-05 15:43                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-03-05 16:25                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-07  3:37                               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-07  8:50                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-07  9:20                                   ` David Kastrup
2008-03-07 10:27                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-07 18:47                                       ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-08  0:35                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-08  2:27                                           ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-08  0:59                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-08  3:06                                               ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-08  1:43                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-09  2:17                                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-09 12:43                                           ` Davi Leal
2008-03-09 20:53                                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-07 16:39                                   ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-03-07 16:47                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-09  2:17                                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-09 23:34                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-10  8:15                                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-10  9:11                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-10  9:23                                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-10 11:50                                         ` Harsha
2008-03-10 12:05                                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-11 13:41                                             ` Walter Franzini
2008-03-10 15:19                                         ` Gilaras Drakeson
2008-03-11  9:24                                           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-10 17:16                                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-07  9:16                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-09  2:18                                   ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-18 19:07                                   ` Johannes Weiner
2008-03-05  9:45                       ` David Kastrup
2008-03-07  3:37                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 21:34                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-03 17:22             ` Bastien
2008-03-03 15:05         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-03 16:29       ` merging Emacs.app (was Re: MAINTAINERS file) Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-03 21:38         ` merging Emacs.app Stefan Monnier
2008-03-05  5:04           ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-05 12:38             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-05 16:05               ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-06  0:58                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-06  4:03                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-07  3:16                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-07  3:20                       ` Miles Bader
2008-03-08  3:43                         ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-08  3:46                           ` Miles Bader
2008-03-08  5:13                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-08 16:58                             ` David Reitter
2008-03-08 17:14                             ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-08 17:46                               ` David Reitter
2008-03-08 18:34                                 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-08 18:59                                   ` David Reitter
2008-03-08 22:01                                     ` Dan Nicolaescu [this message]
2008-03-08 18:40                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-09 10:05                                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-09 13:14                                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-09 13:27                                   ` David Kastrup
2008-03-09 14:30                                     ` David Reitter
2008-03-10  0:19                                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-10 10:06                   ` Adrian Robert
2008-03-10 10:48                     ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-03-10 14:09                       ` Adrian Robert
2008-03-10 15:52                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-03 18:26       ` MAINTAINERS file Richard Stallman
2008-03-03 21:27         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-04 23:03           ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-05 12:10           ` Bastien
2008-03-09  1:00             ` Xavier Maillard
2008-03-09  2:44               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-09 16:40               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-03  2:14   ` Chong Yidong

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