From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dan Nicolaescu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Diffs between %s and %s end here Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 11:35:29 -0800 Message-ID: <200803081935.m28JZTrK009021@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> References: <18370.47294.641890.556694@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <18371.9275.720477.806834@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <2vzltos6g1.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <18371.49683.356527.589505@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <18377.55334.203888.524043@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <434pbqcaz5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <200803021853.m22IrRvA000730@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200803031858.m23IwToH009344@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200803041839.m24Idmis008291@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200803052150.m25Loonc011429@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <85pru5m2ut.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205005136 10871 80.91.229.12 (8 Mar 2008 19:38:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 19:38:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rgm@gnu.org, nickrob@snap.net.nz, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Richard Stallman , Miles Bader To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 08 20:39:23 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JY4t3-0000bL-Lo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 20:39:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JY4sV-0004CG-MV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:38:43 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JY4sQ-0004Aw-Tb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:38:38 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JY4sP-00049l-CD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:38:38 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JY4sP-00049S-4S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:38:37 -0500 Original-Received: from sallyv1.ics.uci.edu ([128.195.1.109]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA1:24) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JY4sA-00038r-RG; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:38:23 -0500 X-ICS-MailScanner-Watermark: 1205609731.45307@7q7T+9a4wK2eyQLcbLCQ+Q Original-Received: from mothra.ics.uci.edu (mothra.ics.uci.edu [128.195.6.93]) by sallyv1.ics.uci.edu (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m28JZTrK009021; Sat, 8 Mar 2008 11:35:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <85pru5m2ut.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Sat, 08 Mar 2008 20:29:14 +0100") Original-Lines: 40 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-0.656, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44, SARE_SUB_PCT_LETTER 0.78) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@mothra.ics.uci.edu X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:91757 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > Reiner Steib writes: > > > On Sat, Mar 08 2008, Richard Stallman wrote: > > > >> I dunno, maybe it's just a personal foible, but emacs the "diff" command > >> used to add this sort of terminator line (haven't noticed recently) sort > >> of terminator string, and I always found it very annoying -- it probably > >> doesn't cause anything to _break_ but it was like an ugly little wart, > >> and I always ended up going to extra effort to delete it when saving the > >> output. > >> > >> I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. > > > > Before "Diffs between %s and %s end here" was removed, several people > > reported to be distracted or annoyed by it. See the thread on > > emacs-devel in January[1]. Nobody spoke up in favor of it when Glenn > > announced to "remove it in a week or so if no-one objects." > > > >> If there is no other reason for its removal, we should put it back > >> in. > > > > Please don't (at least provide an option to turn it off). > > > > When I produce a diff before committing a change, I often want to make > > sure the no unintended/other changes crept in. I expect to see > > exactly the diffs, not some disturbing additional lines. Even after > > seeing it several weeks (but not using diff very frequently), I still > > found it distracting.[1] > > Maybe we should put informational messages like that as an (evaporating) > afterstring overlay on the final LF character? That way they would not > be copied anywhere. That sounds good, as long as M-w and insert-buffer don't copy that string. But the main question remains: is it worth doing it? We already have the mode-line notification, does adding another type provide a significant benefit for the user?