From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling TransientMark Mode by default] Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:19:23 +0000 Message-ID: <20080221081923.GB1891@muc.de> References: <20080220200142.GA1979@muc.de> <006e01c8740e$366ebbd0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203590018 21185 80.91.229.12 (21 Feb 2008 10:33:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:33:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, 'Sascha Wilde' , lennart.borgman@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, dann@ics.uci.edu, 'Stefan Monnier' , storm@cua.dk, 'Miles Bader' To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 21 11:33:57 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JS8kW-0007ah-GS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:33:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JS8k1-0005tF-GU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:33:25 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JS7OE-0004iq-Qp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:06:50 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JS7OE-0004iE-2X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:06:50 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JS7OD-0004iA-UN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:06:49 -0500 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1] helo=mail.muc.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JS7OD-00067R-6e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:06:49 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 15362 invoked by uid 3782); 21 Feb 2008 08:06:45 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p57AF5CA9.dip.t-dialin.net [87.175.92.169]) by colin2.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:06:42 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 2321 invoked by uid 1000); 21 Feb 2008 08:19:23 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <006e01c8740e$366ebbd0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.5 (Fettercairn) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:31:21 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:89809 Archived-At: Hi, Drew! On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 02:16:14PM -0800, Drew Adams wrote: > Perhaps there is another way to look at this. Just throwing out an idea. I > imagine that people from all directions will fire upon it, but what the > heck: :-) Doing a bit of heavy distortion and context removal on your post, you've written .... > ....but the region is not active, so no highlighting. ...., if you > have `mark-even-if-inactive' = t. This is what I was trying to say in my first post with this subject: Why the "so" in "so no highlighting"? I'm beginning to think that this is tautological (see below). I'm beginning to think that people say "highlight a region" (particularly in non-Emacs programs) when they really mean "create a region". I think I've seen Lennart doing this (hi, Lennart!). This lack of precision is unhelpful. > FWIW, I have `mark-even-if-inactive' = t, which means I can always use the > region, but I can see when it is active (highlighting). I've now become thoroughly confused as to what an "active" region is. If `mark-even-if-inactive' is t, I think "active" has become equivalent to "highlit". Somebody please unconfuse me as appropriate! -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).