From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dan Nicolaescu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: change cursor type when idle Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:11:02 -0800 Message-ID: <200802121611.m1CGB2Ze001483@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> References: <000d01c86c82$700dccc0$7051908d@us.oracle.com> <200802121430.m1CEUc6k013361@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <002601c86d8a$a0454db0$405a908d@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1202832837 5585 80.91.229.12 (12 Feb 2008 16:13:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 16:13:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 12 17:14:19 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JOxlw-0001OS-6f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:14:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JOxlS-0005si-ME for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:13:46 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JOxks-0005c0-NC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:13:10 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JOxkr-0005ao-QD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:13:10 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JOxkr-0005ah-GQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:13:09 -0500 Original-Received: from sallyv1.ics.uci.edu ([128.195.1.109]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA1:24) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JOxkn-00064I-JE; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:13:05 -0500 X-ICS-MailScanner-Watermark: 1203437464.16641@oRPaaXgI82bctPbX0gSOxA Original-Received: from mothra.ics.uci.edu (mothra.ics.uci.edu [128.195.6.93]) by sallyv1.ics.uci.edu (8.13.7+Sun/8.13.7) with ESMTP id m1CGB2Ze001483; Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:11:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <002601c86d8a$a0454db0$405a908d@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 12 Feb 2008 07:19:13 -0800") Original-Lines: 43 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=2.139, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44, FRT_INCOME 3.58) X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamScore: ss X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@mothra.ics.uci.edu X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:88873 Archived-At: "Drew Adams" writes: > > - There's too much code, the compatibility code should go > > It already went. I sent Thi the update (off list), as he requested. > > - Too many knobs to turn > > Be specific. "Too many" begs explanation. 8 defcustoms, 1 minor mode, one toggle-* function seem a bit excessive for the intended target of this package. > > - What's the point of changing the cursor when emacs is idle? > > - What's the point in changing the cursor in a read-only buffer? > > - Someone that uses input methods should comment if changing > > the cursor for when doing that is useful. > > - Changing the cursor in overwrite mode seems like a good idea, other > > editors do it too. > > Juanma replied to these questions. Each can be useful in come contexts. None > should be mandated for users, of course. I don't think he did, not in a way that would justify adding this to emacs. > I'd add that change when Emacs is idle can be useful to help you see where > the cursor is. Idle Emacs can mean your attention is not currently at point. > (This change is only from bar cursor to box.) _I_ am totally unconvinced changing the cursor when is useful, not just featuritis. You might be able to convince other people though... > > - IMO we should only consider adding this if we are willing > > to turn it on by default. > > Which? All? Yes, all that it's considered useful. I motivated this: > > If it's not considered useful enough to be on by > > default, then it seems like fluff that it's not worth documenting.