From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Giorgos Keramidas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why Emacs needs a modern bug tracker Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 06:23:40 +0200 Message-ID: <20080110042340.GB12523@kobe.laptop> References: <20080105182456.GR30869@thyrsus.com> <20080105214810.GZ30869@thyrsus.com> <20080105233923.GH30869@thyrsus.com> <18304.10442.537860.246188@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <87k5mnoge1.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <8763y7o719.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87r6gt7l7i.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199939039 7005 80.91.229.12 (10 Jan 2008 04:23:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 04:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Giorgos Keramidas , Mark Linimon To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 10 05:24:21 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JCoxo-0001j7-0a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:24:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JCoxQ-0005tX-B3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:23:56 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JCoxM-0005tR-8o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:23:52 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JCoxJ-0005so-Ow for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:23:51 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JCoxJ-0005sY-LM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:23:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mx-out.forthnet.gr ([193.92.150.104] helo=mx-out-05.forthnet.gr) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JCoxJ-0002fq-3S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:23:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mx-av-01.forthnet.gr (mx-av.forthnet.gr [193.92.150.27]) by mx-out-05.forthnet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m0A4NjXn026620; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 06:23:45 +0200 Original-Received: from MX-IN-01.forthnet.gr (mx-in-01.forthnet.gr [193.92.150.23]) by mx-av-01.forthnet.gr (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0A4NjhC008013; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 06:23:45 +0200 Original-Received: from kobe.laptop (ppp263-130.adsl.forthnet.gr [77.49.42.130]) by MX-IN-01.forthnet.gr (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m0A4NgjJ028841; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 06:23:44 +0200 Authentication-Results: MX-IN-01.forthnet.gr smtp.mail=keramida@ceid.upatras.gr; spf=neutral Authentication-Results: MX-IN-01.forthnet.gr header.from=keramida@ceid.upatras.gr; sender-id=neutral Original-Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m0A4Ng6W012743; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 06:23:42 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Original-Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m0A4Nehq012742; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 06:23:40 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87r6gt7l7i.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86679 Archived-At: On 2008-01-07 16:40, Yavor Doganov wrote: > Miles Bader wrote: > > Useful email support means supporing both submissions, > > modifications, and queries via email. > > Exactly. This is not supported by Savane, so this fact automatically > rules out Savannah as a bug tracker for Emacs. > > I wonder why nobody mentioned GNATS, the GNU Bug Tracking System? > From the description: > > ,---- http://www.gnu.org/software/gnats/ ---- > | Thanks to its architecture, GNATS is not bound to a single > | user interface ??? it can be used via command line, e-mail, Emacs, or a > | network daemon, usually used with a Web interface. Together with the > | fact that all GNATS databases and configuration can be stored in plain > | text files, it allows easy use and provides good flexibility. > | Basically, if the GNATS tools do not provide everything you need, you > | can add your own additional utilities using standard GNU tools. > `---- > > There was a running instance once upon a time at bugs.gnu.org, but I > don't know what happened. AFAIK the FreeBSD folks use it as a tracker > for the whole distribution, so it can't be that bad. As one of the people who used to be gnats-admin for FreeBSD, I can tell you that it _is_ bad in some ways. FreeBSD has a very active Gnats admin, Mark Linimon, who spends a *lot* of time working with the members of the `bugmeister' team to keep things going. I am not sure if I could ever keep up with the work Gnats needs to keep working smoothly, but Mark has been doing a fantastically marvellous job for several years now. Before using Gnats for Emacs, I think you should ask Mark about his experience with Gnats the past few years. I'm sure he has alot of useful contributions to make regarding the goodness or badness of Gnats. I have added Mark to the Cc: list, in case he wants to offer any help regarding a choice pro or against Gnats.