From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mike Mattie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 18:56:37 -0800 Message-ID: <20080107185637.2c6dc45b@reforged> References: <20080101171120.GC3830@muc.de> <20080101.190535.32709273.wl@gnu.org> <20080101182742.GE3830@muc.de> <20080101.192802.05328072.wl@gnu.org> <20080103010807.GB13318@kobe.laptop> <85wsqqnfce.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85bq80mgut.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85fxxbjjk2.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0981592126==" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199761212 2780 80.91.229.12 (8 Jan 2008 03:00:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 03:00:12 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 08 04:00:32 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JC4hX-0005MM-Iz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Jan 2008 04:00:27 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JC4hA-0000LM-3t for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:00:04 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JC4h6-0000LG-D5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:00:00 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JC4h4-0000Kx-9v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:59:59 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JC4h4-0000Ku-6h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:59:58 -0500 Original-Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.179]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JC4h3-0008Pi-Tr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:59:58 -0500 Original-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k34so12948159wah.10 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:59:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type; bh=2xQ/Tc+DepHrGuqlnt8AJ5xRro0TKMM7etranBMNX+0=; b=cGburspFeeaDUqnDFRXFgLfb8AuJwn5ttCahhle612ciM5cVdbQzQG+O+IIenrHYqEQbYhfn0uvRTGV2hpX5XzwnkkvcJsNcENRdYf5vzFFhbK+J54qJ3ZBPyZOy1VFcWgOlL1KmeA7Hk1qrRrw4xEF+n+jOjuIrST3l5wVSd3M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type; b=x0xtsQK63Nt8XUw4NwRqIt7/J/O33uGCQeZkQOBMIJndJ32w/f5WuvEFnuk06MBFiEYei7H/dRVrYdcYUSV5+Y7lvr8t9UcXzSiHAOe0gTHmuwVy/dRt8V9xGuKnudvz4xEG5oDKStieB7sqMscUh8EiFBgzSXbDaTlJU9quPWI= Original-Received: by 10.114.110.1 with SMTP id i1mr226830wac.112.1199761195744; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:59:55 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from reforged ( [71.217.198.62]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m34sm36056897waf.48.2008.01.07.18.59.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:59:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i686-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86546 Archived-At: --===============0981592126== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/6cvwnvnQtimYnnXztBoakii"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 --Sig_/6cvwnvnQtimYnnXztBoakii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 23:40:51 +0800 CHENG Gao wrote: > *On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 23:52:53 -0500 > * Also sprach Sam Steingold : >=20 > > Note however that with CVS, getting CVS head and building it is > > hardly more expensive than downloading a source tarball - wrt both > > bandwidth and disk space. With git, the situation is vastly > > different: you cannot just get the head, you always get the whole > > change history, so instead of 40MB, you will be getting and storing > > 200MB. This may not be a big deal these days for many people, but > > it might be a showstopper for some. >=20 > Yes you are right. Ever I tried to git clone emacs git repo at home, > and it took forever so I had to abort the mission. I got a 2m ADSL at > home. Instead I git cloned it in office, and it took only several > minutes with 10M line. My experience and worry is git clone may be > slow for slow connections. good point, even in the U.S the midwest is still on dialup outside of the major metro regions. I am on broad-band so I never checked if git has a "resume" option to continue a clone operation that is interrupted, or if that is integral to clone. The second, third world is also a consideration e.g The current architect of the parrot project lives somewhere in Africa. There is alot of talent outside of the regions that are blinding on a connectivity map.=20 Another thing that has not been mentioned is the usefulness of dropping or limiting history. I made a slight mistake in the arguments to git log and I ended up with a 23 Mb log buffer that went back to the 'mid 90's. Some potential pitfalls to consider. I don't think they are show-stoppers but they are scenarios that need consideration. --Sig_/6cvwnvnQtimYnnXztBoakii Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHguZmdfRchrkBInkRAq+jAKCrlfLqwUPSixT0A0zA5KPOfz9DlACfR3JY gjfXhX9tSiKhjeTE6L5Npyg= =8fNa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/6cvwnvnQtimYnnXztBoakii-- --===============0981592126== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel --===============0981592126==--