From: Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr>
To: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: esr@snark.thyrsus.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
esr@thyrsus.com, acm@muc.de, eliz@gnu.org
Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:33:32 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080107083332.GA2490@kobe.laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <85odbydpat.fsf@lola.goethe.zz>
On 2008-01-07 09:15, David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> wrote:
>Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
>> "the current development version" is not a concept for git. No
>> repository is special as far as git is concerned. The "current
>> development version" is a social, not a technical concept. For example,
>> the git maintainer was off-line unexpectedly for some months recently.
>> Somebody else took over seamlessly by collecting, arranging and
>> coordinating patches on the git list into _his_ repository.
>>
>> With CVS, people can get the current version of every program on
>> savannah in a uniform way. What you say seems to imply that that is
>> not possible with git. That seems like a big step backwards.
>
> Huh? Declare a repository as official, and people can sync to it and
> "get the current version of every program on Savannah in a uniform way".
> They can sync to any other repository (or pull changes on top of other
> already pulled changes), too, without disturbing their setup. But it is
> not like they would magically get something they didn't ask for, or
> would not always be able to tell what changes in addition to the
> Savannah remote state they had applied in their own repository.
I think there's a misunderstanding, but it's ok.
Richard, the main `new feature' of a DVCS is not that it changes
anything about the `central' repository. It would still be possible to
name a well defined, well known place where the official Emacs source
tree lives. Since savannah is a well known place for Emacs, that's
where the official tree should be, of course.
>> Within a community of people that work together, it won't be a
>> problem. They will know to look THERE instead of HERE. But users in
>> general can't be expected to check for that sort of thing before they
>> get the current development Emacs.
>
> Huh? I can get an rsync of Emacs CVS, check something into that copy
> and publish it on a server. Same thing. A user can't usefully work
> with two CVS repositories at once, sure, but the THERE/HERE confusion is
> just the same.
... and this scratches the surface of the `new feature' of a DVCS.
There is still a `central' repository, which is well known and used for
the official releases. But developers can *also* collaborate with each
other by directly exchanging changesets with each other. They don't
have to specificlly go through a single CVS tree to do this. They still
*can* go through the `central' repository for all their work, it's just
not mandatory.
- Giorgos
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2007-12-30 12:22 What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Eric S. Raymond
2007-12-30 15:32 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-12-30 15:42 ` Richard Stallman
2007-12-30 17:22 ` Eric S. Raymond
2007-12-30 20:25 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-12-30 21:55 ` Nick Roberts
2007-12-30 22:25 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-12-30 22:58 ` Richard Stallman
2007-12-30 22:58 ` Richard Stallman
2007-12-31 2:58 ` Eric S. Raymond
2007-12-31 12:14 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-01-01 23:57 ` John S. Yates, Jr.
2008-01-02 1:46 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-12-31 22:29 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-01 0:19 ` Leo
2007-12-31 4:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-12-31 13:07 ` Eric S. Raymond
2007-12-31 20:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-12-31 21:41 ` Eric S. Raymond
2007-12-31 23:00 ` Nick Roberts
2008-01-01 0:50 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-01 4:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-01 6:20 ` Eric S. Raymond
2007-12-31 23:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-01 0:27 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-01-01 3:00 ` Mike Mattie
2008-01-01 7:57 ` Drew Adams
2008-01-02 19:28 ` Agustin Martin
2008-01-03 9:50 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-05 3:34 ` Mike Mattie
2008-01-06 8:09 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-03 9:50 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-01 20:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-02 4:17 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-01-05 10:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-01 0:57 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-01 4:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-01 0:10 ` Miles Bader
2008-01-01 1:06 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-01 1:41 ` Miles Bader
2008-01-01 2:16 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-01 19:43 ` Tom Tromey
2008-01-01 21:11 ` Nick Roberts
2008-01-02 0:25 ` Miles Bader
2008-01-02 1:12 ` Tom Tromey
2008-01-02 17:19 ` On-the-fly compiling (was Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like) Mark A. Hershberger
2008-01-02 20:57 ` On-the-fly compiling Stefan Monnier
2008-01-02 22:33 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-01-02 23:09 ` Tom Tromey
2008-01-02 9:53 ` What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Richard Stallman
2008-01-01 11:28 ` Tassilo Horn
2008-01-01 20:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-02 0:29 ` Miles Bader
2008-01-02 4:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-02 4:33 ` Miles Bader
2008-01-02 8:24 ` Werner LEMBERG
2008-01-02 8:20 ` Tassilo Horn
2008-01-03 9:50 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-03 13:15 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2008-01-04 13:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-02 8:41 ` tomas
2008-01-03 9:50 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-03 10:16 ` Miles Bader
2008-01-05 5:55 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-05 6:59 ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05 15:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-05 19:53 ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-06 8:09 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-05 8:55 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-05 9:55 ` Werner LEMBERG
2008-01-05 15:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-05 15:31 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2008-01-05 15:39 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-06 8:09 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-06 9:51 ` tomas
2008-01-06 11:02 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-06 12:05 ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-01-06 12:40 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-06 16:51 ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-01-06 17:03 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-07 4:18 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-05 22:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-06 18:09 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-07 17:17 ` Gregory Collins
2008-01-07 23:21 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-01-08 0:25 ` Gregory Collins
2008-01-08 0:51 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-08 2:43 ` Mike Mattie
2008-01-08 3:03 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2008-01-08 4:25 ` Mike Mattie
2008-01-08 19:07 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-03 10:32 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-01 17:11 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-01-01 18:05 ` Werner LEMBERG
2008-01-01 18:27 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-01-01 18:28 ` Werner LEMBERG
2008-01-02 9:53 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-02 10:36 ` Werner LEMBERG
2008-01-02 12:23 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-04 5:27 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-02 11:27 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-01-02 12:17 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-03 1:26 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-01-03 2:49 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-04 5:27 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-04 5:35 ` Miles Bader
2008-01-04 12:47 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-05 14:30 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-06 1:10 ` Miles Bader
2008-01-04 12:45 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-05 14:30 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-05 15:29 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-05 15:59 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-01-06 2:14 ` Mike Mattie
2008-01-03 1:08 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-01-03 2:56 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-03 3:18 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-01-04 5:27 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-04 8:51 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-05 14:30 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-05 15:28 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-06 10:46 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-06 11:10 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-07 4:18 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-07 4:36 ` dhruva
2008-01-07 4:52 ` Sam Steingold
2008-01-07 5:09 ` dhruva
2008-01-07 8:17 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-07 15:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-07 15:47 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-07 16:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-07 17:09 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-07 15:40 ` CHENG Gao
2008-01-07 23:36 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-01-08 4:31 ` CHENG Gao
2008-01-08 5:07 ` Mike Mattie
2008-01-08 2:56 ` Mike Mattie
2008-01-08 9:37 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-01-07 5:16 ` Jason Earl
2008-01-07 17:16 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-07 17:45 ` Gregory Collins
2008-01-08 19:07 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-08 19:50 ` Miles Bader
2008-01-13 20:06 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-01-14 11:28 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-07 21:28 ` Jason Earl
2008-01-07 8:15 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-07 8:33 ` Giorgos Keramidas [this message]
2008-01-07 23:50 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-01-05 21:11 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-01-06 18:08 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-07 9:35 ` Piet van Oostrum
2008-01-01 20:53 ` Nick Roberts
2008-01-02 9:53 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-02 12:24 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-02 15:19 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-02 20:35 ` Karl Fogel
2008-01-02 19:19 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-01-02 19:23 ` Romain Francoise
2008-01-03 1:18 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-01-03 7:55 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-02 9:53 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-02 10:03 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-02 10:05 ` Tassilo Horn
2008-01-02 11:31 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-01-02 11:28 ` Tassilo Horn
2008-01-02 14:26 ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-02 19:48 ` Karl Fogel
2008-01-02 18:43 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-01-02 22:10 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-01-03 2:58 ` Karl Fogel
2008-01-03 1:21 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-01-03 9:14 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-01-03 10:57 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-01-01 19:37 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-01 21:46 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-01-01 22:49 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-02 17:05 ` Mark A. Hershberger
2008-01-03 9:49 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-02 8:35 ` Tassilo Horn
2008-01-02 5:54 ` John S. Yates, Jr.
2008-01-02 11:52 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-03 9:50 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-02 8:51 ` tomas
2008-01-02 9:53 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-01 22:01 ` Romain Francoise
2007-12-31 13:11 ` Alan Mackenzie
2007-12-31 13:24 ` Miles Bader
2007-12-31 13:44 ` Alan Mackenzie
2007-12-31 15:45 ` Eric S. Raymond
2007-12-31 15:14 ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-12-31 15:31 ` Eric S. Raymond
2007-12-31 15:25 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-01 20:34 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-01-01 20:57 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-02 9:53 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-02 12:29 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-02 12:59 ` dhruva
2008-01-02 13:11 ` Miles Bader
2008-01-02 13:17 ` Tassilo Horn
2008-01-02 13:49 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-04 5:28 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-04 7:03 ` John S. Yates, Jr.
2008-01-05 14:29 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-02 13:48 ` Werner LEMBERG
2008-01-02 13:56 ` dhruva
2008-01-02 14:55 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-03 1:13 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-01-02 14:50 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-19 17:45 ` Jari Aalto
2008-01-20 2:59 ` dhruva
2008-01-20 5:10 ` Miles Bader
2008-01-20 5:36 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-01-20 6:03 ` Miles Bader
2008-01-20 19:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-20 20:42 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-01-20 20:17 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-01-20 20:28 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-01-21 2:11 ` Miles Bader
2008-01-21 2:38 ` Karl Fogel
2008-01-21 2:49 ` Miles Bader
2008-01-21 3:06 ` Nick Roberts
2008-01-21 3:17 ` Miles Bader
2008-01-21 3:26 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-01-21 3:16 ` Glenn Morris
2008-01-21 4:11 ` Nick Roberts
2008-01-21 10:00 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-01-21 2:41 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-01-21 3:01 ` Nick Roberts
2008-01-21 9:07 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-21 15:51 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-01-21 17:37 ` Miles Bader
2008-01-21 17:53 ` Tom Tromey
2008-01-21 20:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-21 19:50 ` Tom Tromey
2008-01-22 0:33 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-01-24 14:43 ` Mark A. Hershberger
2008-01-24 15:00 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-01-24 15:34 ` dhruva
2008-01-24 19:52 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-01-25 0:43 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-01-25 22:47 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-25 23:13 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-01-25 23:36 ` Miles Bader
2008-01-27 0:45 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-27 17:39 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-27 20:06 ` Nick Roberts
2008-01-27 22:21 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-27 23:58 ` Johan Bockgård
2008-01-28 7:17 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-28 7:17 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-28 7:57 ` GNU Project [was: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like] Nick Roberts
2008-01-28 21:32 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-28 7:18 ` What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Richard Stallman
2008-01-28 7:30 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-28 9:18 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-01-28 21:32 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-26 1:23 ` Thomas Lord
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-01-01 3:09 Nick Roberts
2008-01-01 6:24 ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-03 20:32 Trey Jackson
2008-01-04 9:46 ` dhruva
2008-01-05 13:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-05 15:04 ` dhruva
2008-01-05 15:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-06 1:17 ` Miles Bader
2008-01-04 13:43 ` Gianluca Della Vedova
2008-01-05 14:30 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-06 5:03 ` Trey Jackson
2008-01-06 6:58 ` Nick Roberts
2008-01-07 4:57 ` Trey Jackson
2008-01-07 5:54 ` Nick Roberts
2008-01-06 18:09 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-07 5:16 ` Trey Jackson
2008-01-07 6:15 ` Nick Roberts
2008-01-07 15:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-29 5:43 Werner LEMBERG
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