From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eric S. Raymond" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why Emacs needs a modern bug tracker Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 16:48:10 -0500 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs Message-ID: <20080105214810.GZ30869@thyrsus.com> References: <20080104164454.0A4BD830697@snark.thyrsus.com> <20080105182456.GR30869@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199569738 10083 80.91.229.12 (5 Jan 2008 21:48:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 21:48:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esr@snark.thyrsus.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 05 22:49:18 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JBGtE-0003QQ-T1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:49:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBGsW-0000cH-Ps for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:48:28 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBGsS-0000bb-Mb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:48:24 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBGsR-0000ao-Us for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:48:24 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBGsR-0000al-Om for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:48:23 -0500 Original-Received: from static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net ([71.162.243.5] helo=snark.thyrsus.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JBGs8-0001TL-F9; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:48:07 -0500 Original-Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 23) id 217A741C316; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 16:48:10 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15+20070412 (2007-04-11) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86235 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii : > You are assuming that all parts of the code are being developed, it > seems. That's not what happens in Emacs, probably due to its age and > the fact that core features are developed/refactored only very seldom, > or not at all. OK, fair point. In that case Emacs will behave, statistically, more like a project the size of the code's active region. Not entirely, you could still have bad interactions with the "dark matter", but... do you have any idea what the approximate LOC of the active region is? I might, by straining hard, manage to believe it's smaller than Wesnoth. No way it's going to be smaller than GPSD. > In any case, unless we lose a huge amount of bugs due to lack of > tracking, I strongly suspect you do. This is testable; if it's so, you'll see a lot more of them as people become aware of the tracker. > But as I said elsewhere, let's have a bug tracker happen, and see > where it gets us. I have seen enough talking on this issue; if > there's energy left in those who think a bug tracker will make a > difference, let's see it in action and argue later. All right. I'll need administrator permissions on our Savannah site. Can you set those? -- Eric S. Raymond