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From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: esr@snark.thyrsus.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Why Emacs needs a modern bug tracker
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 16:48:10 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080105214810.GZ30869@thyrsus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <uve68t481.fsf@gnu.org>

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>:
> You are assuming that all parts of the code are being developed, it
> seems.  That's not what happens in Emacs, probably due to its age and
> the fact that core features are developed/refactored only very seldom,
> or not at all.

OK, fair point.  In that case Emacs will behave, statistically, more
like a project the size of the code's active region.  Not entirely,
you could still have bad interactions with the "dark matter", but...
do you have any idea what the approximate LOC of the active region is?

I might, by straining hard, manage to believe it's smaller than 
Wesnoth.  No way it's going to be smaller than GPSD.
 
> In any case, unless we lose a huge amount of bugs due to lack of
> tracking,

I strongly suspect you do.  This is testable; if it's so, you'll
see a lot more of them as people become aware of the tracker.

> But as I said elsewhere, let's have a bug tracker happen, and see
> where it gets us.  I have seen enough talking on this issue; if
> there's energy left in those who think a bug tracker will make a
> difference, let's see it in action and argue later.

All right.  I'll need administrator permissions on our Savannah site.  
Can you set those?
-- 
		<a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>

  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-05 21:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-04 16:44 Why Emacs needs a modern bug tracker Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-04 17:33 ` Andreas Röhler
2008-01-04 18:29   ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-04 18:38   ` Gianluca Della Vedova
2008-01-05 14:31     ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-05 18:50       ` Gianluca Della Vedova
2008-01-05 19:51         ` Drew Adams
2008-01-05 19:58           ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05 20:13           ` Sven Joachim
2008-01-05 20:28             ` Drew Adams
2008-01-06 10:47         ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-05 22:39       ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-06 18:09         ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-06 19:57           ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-06 22:29             ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-07 11:31               ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-04 19:20 ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-04 19:40   ` Drew Adams
2008-01-04 23:25 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-01-05  0:44   ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05  1:23     ` Miles Bader
2008-01-05  2:54       ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05 15:38         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-05 16:33           ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-01-05 19:05           ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05 19:12             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-01-05 20:00             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-05 20:38               ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05 21:55                 ` Reiner Steib
2008-01-05 22:05                 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-05 22:48                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05 23:25                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-05 22:00             ` Bastien
2008-01-05 22:21               ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05 23:32                 ` Bastien
2008-01-06  0:52                   ` Bastien
2008-01-07 17:15                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-08  1:06                       ` Bastien
2008-01-06 10:46             ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-08 23:49             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-01-09  1:13               ` Leo
2008-01-09  1:48                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-01-09  1:28               ` Andrea Russo
2008-01-09  1:49                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-01-05 12:23     ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-01-05 17:40       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-01-06  1:10         ` Mike Mattie
2008-01-06 18:09           ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-06 18:18             ` David Kastrup
2008-01-06 21:27               ` Jan Djärv
2008-01-06 21:35                 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-07  6:56                   ` Jan Djärv
2008-01-07  8:23                     ` David Kastrup
2008-01-07 14:28             ` Bill Wohler
2008-01-10  4:11             ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-01-05 22:23       ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-01-05 22:23       ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-01-05 23:05       ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05 23:20         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-01-06 17:13           ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-06 20:15             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-06 20:37               ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-06 22:17               ` Bastien
2008-01-05  5:20   ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-05 11:17     ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-01-05 14:57       ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-05 15:51         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-01-05 16:07           ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-05 19:58         ` Chris Ball
2008-01-05 20:50           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-01-05 21:26           ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-05 23:46             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-01-06 16:38           ` email-based development (was:: Why Emacs needs a modern bug tracker) John S. Yates, Jr.
2008-01-05  8:51   ` Let a QA department into the works Andreas Röhler
2008-01-05 14:53     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-06  8:09     ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-06 11:15       ` David Kastrup
2008-01-06 19:52         ` Andreas Röhler
2008-01-05 21:39   ` Why Emacs needs a modern bug tracker Bastien
2008-01-05 14:30 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-05 15:25   ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-06 10:47     ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-05 15:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-05 18:24   ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-05 20:19     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-05 21:48       ` Eric S. Raymond [this message]
2008-01-05 23:21         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-05 23:39           ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-06  1:03             ` Nick Roberts
2008-01-06  2:08               ` Miles Bader
2008-01-06  4:08                 ` Nick Roberts
2008-01-06 10:26                   ` Andreas Schwab
2008-01-06 11:22                     ` Nick Roberts
2008-01-06 13:19                       ` Andreas Schwab
2008-01-06 11:13                   ` David Kastrup
2008-01-06 15:59                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-07 11:30                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-07 13:29                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-08 19:06                           ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-09 15:35                     ` Bill Wohler
2008-01-06  4:14                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-06  5:30                   ` Miles Bader
2008-01-07 14:40                     ` Yavor Doganov
2008-01-10  4:23                       ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-01-10  6:46                         ` Mark Linimon
2008-01-11  7:00                       ` Bill Wohler
2008-01-11 15:54                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-11 20:42                           ` Ralf Angeli
2008-01-11 21:25                           ` Nick Roberts
2008-01-11 22:41                             ` David Kastrup
2008-01-11 23:14                           ` Evans Winner
2008-01-13  8:35                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-06 18:09         ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-06 20:02           ` Martin Geisler
2008-01-07 11:31             ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-06 20:09           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-06 21:08           ` Eric S. Raymond

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