From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why Emacs needs a modern bug tracker Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 18:40:08 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <20080105174008.2208B303F6@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE> References: <20080104164454.0A4BD830697@snark.thyrsus.com> <20080104232514.GB2735@muc.de> <20080105122310.GB3014@muc.de> Reply-To: ams@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199554821 29993 80.91.229.12 (5 Jan 2008 17:40:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 17:40:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 05 18:40:41 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JBD0j-0004eu-9r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:40:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBD0M-00080i-OQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 12:40:18 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBD0H-0007wv-0L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 12:40:13 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBD0E-0007tH-Pq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 12:40:12 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBD0E-0007t5-Kp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 12:40:10 -0500 Original-Received: from psilocybe.update.uu.se ([130.238.19.25]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JBD0E-0008RZ-Fk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 12:40:10 -0500 Original-Received: by Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE (Postfix, from userid 30270) id 2208B303F6; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 18:40:08 +0100 (CET) In-reply-to: <20080105122310.GB3014@muc.de> (message from Alan Mackenzie on Sat, 5 Jan 2008 12:23:10 +0000) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86196 Archived-At: > Expressions like "suffocatingly constrained web interface" are > too negative. Maybe you had a bad experience. I only can say that > I wish Emacs' Customize forms were more web-form-alike. I've had nothing but bad experience using web interfaces for anything but web browsing (in its narrow sense). "Suffocatingly constrained" accurately describes what I feel about these interfaces. A good comparison is that of Info documentation vs. the reading the same manual as html. I don't want to be forced to use a web interface, even a keyboard driven one, for reporting bugs. I can't be alone. You're not. "Suffocatingly constrained" describes such interfaces quite well. The nice thing about Emacs is that you have Emacs under your fingers. And not another program that works so differently that you start crying when you try to kill a region, you end up closing a tab with unsaved data (e.g. firefox). Or when you wish to save your bug report so you can send it later, no can do with a web browser, in Emacs (or mutt) you could just save your mail buffer for later editing and sending it when you feel you are done. And if something would crash during that session, you might just have a auto-save file around, again, not something a web browser can do.