From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Mike Mattie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why Emacs needs a modern bug tracker Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 17:10:04 -0800 Message-ID: <20080105171004.128cec58@reforged> References: <20080104164454.0A4BD830697@snark.thyrsus.com> <20080104232514.GB2735@muc.de> <20080105122310.GB3014@muc.de> <20080105174008.2208B303F6@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1020523567==" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199581980 10672 80.91.229.12 (6 Jan 2008 01:13:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 01:13:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ams@gnu.org To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 06 02:13:21 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JBK4i-0004gB-F8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 02:13:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBK4L-0001yb-W3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:12:54 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBK4I-0001yI-CQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:12:50 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBK4H-0001y0-Lo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:12:50 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBK4H-0001xx-Gy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:12:49 -0500 Original-Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.182]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JBK4G-0000ak-R0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:12:49 -0500 Original-Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k34so11441962wah.10 for ; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:12:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type; bh=O0JMErYkfk8qtnOfiuacivZiPWeDgewpgQ+Nu4VWTRk=; b=ZzjUEDGA0nEqK+OzLn/l6jKk60a0eMlaJcrUpIqu9Ml2lO5nIluW38HA1sTE1z5v9kjmfe3v9ul/0p9cqxpR55A540C4IK5wsZP9XKyC2g/wpM5kgKh11bmba7r1Ax0NlmKuWZsoYT+07qFvw3uD0kkDwdnkgp6xSN8STVAYMyU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type; b=TGjG7MyxU6zFT0wCQ9gFLImNJTenwtVNhUbHWXw/lQy1FonvU7RvUiEqItPKfYqjMpEY9hIMureL3+xfxm200ugUskyWG0swG+3kFZA3KWC3xHDEuGozF+PA4Roofp0+8g7o+bzbgjofJd+wvm994Rs8qjTsJZPKndwTyy8cgL4= Original-Received: by 10.114.201.1 with SMTP id y1mr4789138waf.121.1199581966301; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:12:46 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from reforged ( [71.217.198.62]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v38sm16527926wah.7.2008.01.05.17.12.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 05 Jan 2008 17:12:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20080105174008.2208B303F6@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i686-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86272 Archived-At: --===============1020523567== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/fYCEDpqSC.AF4+1EqazN5Qv"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 --Sig_/fYCEDpqSC.AF4+1EqazN5Qv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 18:40:08 +0100 (CET) "Alfred M. Szmidt" wrote: > > Expressions like "suffocatingly constrained web interface" are > > too negative. Maybe you had a bad experience. I only can say that > > I wish Emacs' Customize forms were more web-form-alike. >=20 > I've had nothing but bad experience using web interfaces for > anything but web browsing (in its narrow sense). "Suffocatingly > constrained" accurately describes what I feel about these > interfaces. A good comparison is that of Info documentation > vs. the reading the same manual as html. I don't want to be forced > to use a web interface, even a keyboard driven one, for reporting > bugs. I can't be alone. >=20 > You're not. "Suffocatingly constrained" describes such interfaces > quite well. >=20 > The nice thing about Emacs is that you have Emacs under your fingers. > And not another program that works so differently that you start > crying when you try to kill a region, you end up closing a tab with > unsaved data (e.g. firefox). I highly recommend firemacs. It's a firefox add-on that rebinds most of the editing keys to Emacs defaults. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4141 > Or when you wish to save your bug report so you can send it later, no > can do with a web browser, in Emacs (or mutt) you could just save your > mail buffer for later editing and sending it when you feel you are > done. >=20 > And if something would crash during that session, you might just have > a auto-save file around, again, not something a web browser can do. >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-devel mailing list > Emacs-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel --Sig_/fYCEDpqSC.AF4+1EqazN5Qv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHgCpsdfRchrkBInkRAnCbAJ0ez00C6KyRuFsMWZxHcUcefAtIxwCgzxXW C4j490KHpUyRpU8/3sj4b6E= =Dg2j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/fYCEDpqSC.AF4+1EqazN5Qv-- --===============1020523567== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Emacs-devel mailing list Emacs-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel --===============1020523567==--