From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eric S. Raymond" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why Emacs needs a modern bug tracker Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 10:25:02 -0500 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs Message-ID: <20080105152502.GM30869@thyrsus.com> References: <20080104164454.0A4BD830697@snark.thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199546701 5277 80.91.229.12 (5 Jan 2008 15:25:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 15:25:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Eric S. Raymond" , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 05 16:25:20 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JBAtj-00016K-UG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:25:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBAtN-0002OD-9l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 10:24:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBAtI-0002K5-7D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 10:24:52 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBAtH-0002Hj-7z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 10:24:51 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBAtG-0002HS-U8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 10:24:50 -0500 Original-Received: from static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net ([71.162.243.5] helo=snark.thyrsus.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JBAtD-0005Sa-67; Sat, 05 Jan 2008 10:24:47 -0500 Original-Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 23) id EC5B741C316; Sat, 5 Jan 2008 10:25:02 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15+20070412 (2007-04-11) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86175 Archived-At: Richard Stallman : > I think Stefan is expressing a view that is pretty common among the > old-school Emacs devs here. Alas, I think it's quite far out of > touch with the reality of 2008. > > That is an insulting way to present your suggestions. If you want > your suggestions to be considered, please dont make them offensive. > I won't give in to bullying. Er...would you prefer I began lying to you, then? If you insist, I could write things like "Yes! Yes! The assumptiona and practices of 1993 are still *totally appropriate* in 2008, more than a decade after the big WWW buildout. Project scales haven't changed, and there have been no improvements in our tools worth noticing or incorporating." But it wouldn't be true, and it wouldn't be helpful. And all you can possibly accomplish by categorizing my behavior as "bullying" is to train anyone watching the exchange to lie to you rather than bringing you actual news of the outside world. -- Eric S. Raymond