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From: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@snark.thyrsus.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Why Emacs needs a modern bug tracker
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 10:25:02 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080105152502.GM30869@thyrsus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1JBA2w-0008RL-Hx@fencepost.gnu.org>

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>:
>     I think Stefan is expressing a view that is pretty common among the
>     old-school Emacs devs here.  Alas, I think it's quite far out of
>     touch with the reality of 2008.
> 
> That is an insulting way to present your suggestions.  If you want
> your suggestions to be considered, please dont make them offensive.
> I won't give in to bullying.

Er...would you prefer I began lying to you, then?

If you insist, I could write things like "Yes!  Yes!  The assumptiona
and practices of 1993 are still *totally appropriate* in 2008, more
than a decade after the big WWW buildout.  Project scales haven't
changed, and there have been no improvements in our tools worth
noticing or incorporating."

But it wouldn't be true, and it wouldn't be helpful. And all you can
possibly accomplish by categorizing my behavior as "bullying" is to
train anyone watching the exchange to lie to you rather than bringing
you actual news of the outside world.
-- 
		<a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/">Eric S. Raymond</a>

  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-05 15:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-04 16:44 Why Emacs needs a modern bug tracker Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-04 17:33 ` Andreas Röhler
2008-01-04 18:29   ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-04 18:38   ` Gianluca Della Vedova
2008-01-05 14:31     ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-05 18:50       ` Gianluca Della Vedova
2008-01-05 19:51         ` Drew Adams
2008-01-05 19:58           ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05 20:13           ` Sven Joachim
2008-01-05 20:28             ` Drew Adams
2008-01-06 10:47         ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-05 22:39       ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-06 18:09         ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-06 19:57           ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-06 22:29             ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-07 11:31               ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-04 19:20 ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-04 19:40   ` Drew Adams
2008-01-04 23:25 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-01-05  0:44   ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05  1:23     ` Miles Bader
2008-01-05  2:54       ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05 15:38         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-05 16:33           ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-01-05 19:05           ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05 19:12             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-01-05 20:00             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-05 20:38               ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05 21:55                 ` Reiner Steib
2008-01-05 22:05                 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-05 22:48                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05 23:25                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-05 22:00             ` Bastien
2008-01-05 22:21               ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05 23:32                 ` Bastien
2008-01-06  0:52                   ` Bastien
2008-01-07 17:15                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-08  1:06                       ` Bastien
2008-01-06 10:46             ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-08 23:49             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-01-09  1:13               ` Leo
2008-01-09  1:48                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-01-09  1:28               ` Andrea Russo
2008-01-09  1:49                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-01-05 12:23     ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-01-05 17:40       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-01-06  1:10         ` Mike Mattie
2008-01-06 18:09           ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-06 18:18             ` David Kastrup
2008-01-06 21:27               ` Jan Djärv
2008-01-06 21:35                 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-07  6:56                   ` Jan Djärv
2008-01-07  8:23                     ` David Kastrup
2008-01-07 14:28             ` Bill Wohler
2008-01-10  4:11             ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-01-05 22:23       ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-01-05 22:23       ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-01-05 23:05       ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05 23:20         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-01-06 17:13           ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-06 20:15             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-06 20:37               ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-06 22:17               ` Bastien
2008-01-05  5:20   ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-05 11:17     ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-01-05 14:57       ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-05 15:51         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-01-05 16:07           ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-05 19:58         ` Chris Ball
2008-01-05 20:50           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-01-05 21:26           ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-05 23:46             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-01-06 16:38           ` email-based development (was:: Why Emacs needs a modern bug tracker) John S. Yates, Jr.
2008-01-05  8:51   ` Let a QA department into the works Andreas Röhler
2008-01-05 14:53     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-06  8:09     ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-06 11:15       ` David Kastrup
2008-01-06 19:52         ` Andreas Röhler
2008-01-05 21:39   ` Why Emacs needs a modern bug tracker Bastien
2008-01-05 14:30 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-05 15:25   ` Eric S. Raymond [this message]
2008-01-06 10:47     ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-05 15:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-05 18:24   ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-05 20:19     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-05 21:48       ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-05 23:21         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-05 23:39           ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-06  1:03             ` Nick Roberts
2008-01-06  2:08               ` Miles Bader
2008-01-06  4:08                 ` Nick Roberts
2008-01-06 10:26                   ` Andreas Schwab
2008-01-06 11:22                     ` Nick Roberts
2008-01-06 13:19                       ` Andreas Schwab
2008-01-06 11:13                   ` David Kastrup
2008-01-06 15:59                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-07 11:30                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-07 13:29                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-08 19:06                           ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-09 15:35                     ` Bill Wohler
2008-01-06  4:14                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-06  5:30                   ` Miles Bader
2008-01-07 14:40                     ` Yavor Doganov
2008-01-10  4:23                       ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-01-10  6:46                         ` Mark Linimon
2008-01-11  7:00                       ` Bill Wohler
2008-01-11 15:54                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-11 20:42                           ` Ralf Angeli
2008-01-11 21:25                           ` Nick Roberts
2008-01-11 22:41                             ` David Kastrup
2008-01-11 23:14                           ` Evans Winner
2008-01-13  8:35                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-06 18:09         ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-06 20:02           ` Martin Geisler
2008-01-07 11:31             ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-06 20:09           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-06 21:08           ` Eric S. Raymond

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