From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dan Nicolaescu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Introducing 'unrecognized and 'ignored Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 10:05:25 -0800 Message-ID: <200801031805.m03I5SBf022748@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> References: <20071228174512.66834830BC9@snark.thyrsus.com> <17EA38DF-BCC1-4565-8510-5DD10DD667E3@mac.com> <20071229114551.GD9794@thyrsus.com> <20080102021907.GA15494@thyrsus.com> <200801020445.m024jWU2008538@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199383672 7029 80.91.229.12 (3 Jan 2008 18:07:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:07:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, esr@snark.thyrsus.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, harsanyi@mac.com To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 03 19:08:11 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JAUUB-0005I4-FK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:08:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JAUTp-000192-6x for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:07:45 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JAUSy-0000AT-Qe for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:06:52 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JAUSy-00009H-1u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:06:52 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JAUSx-00008w-Nk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:06:51 -0500 Original-Received: from oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu ([128.195.1.41]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JAUSu-00043z-1d; Thu, 03 Jan 2008 13:06:48 -0500 Original-Received: from mothra.ics.uci.edu (mothra.ics.uci.edu [128.195.6.93]) by oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m03I5SBf022748; Thu, 3 Jan 2008 10:05:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 03 Jan 2008 04:50:13 -0500") Original-Lines: 28 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@mothra.ics.uci.edu X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 9 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86002 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > I would go one step further: vc-dired should not be based on dired at > all. 99% of the dired key bindings and functionality are not useful in > vc-dired. > > Unifying them is a big advantag > > There may be reasons to separate them which outweigh the advantage > of unification, but we should see them presented and weigh them > before going in that direction. The disadvantages or using dired: - performance -- the difference is HUGE - clutter - dired has 4 top level menus that are mostly useless in the VC context - availability of simple key bindings: dired takes most single key bindings, forcing vc-dired to use the "v" prefix - display flexibility -- it is much easier to do custom displays as needed by VC using ewocs than to retrofit it into dired. Just look at the PCL-CVS display and compare it with vc-dired. - future extensibility - VC systems are evolving at a fast pace nowadays, being able to easily make changes to accommodate new features is very important. So IMO, there's no reason to cling onto dired.