From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eric S. Raymond" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Introducing 'unrecognized and 'ignored Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 17:11:30 -0500 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs Message-ID: <20080102221130.GA3400@thyrsus.com> References: <20071228174512.66834830BC9@snark.thyrsus.com> <17EA38DF-BCC1-4565-8510-5DD10DD667E3@mac.com> <20071229114551.GD9794@thyrsus.com> <20080102021907.GA15494@thyrsus.com> <20080102114614.GA17588@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199311887 28900 80.91.229.12 (2 Jan 2008 22:11:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 22:11:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Eric S. Raymond" , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Alexandru Harsanyi To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 02 23:11:47 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JABoQ-0004yX-9n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 23:11:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JABo3-00061o-TX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:11:23 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JABnz-0005zG-Dc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:11:19 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JABnx-0005wD-MY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:11:19 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JABnx-0005vi-Gw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:11:17 -0500 Original-Received: from static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net ([71.162.243.5] helo=snark.thyrsus.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JABnx-0003Qn-7s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:11:17 -0500 Original-Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 23) id 02C2F830B03; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 17:11:30 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15+20070412 (2007-04-11) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:85944 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier : > vc-directory calls dired-internal-noselect which does the directory > listing (typically using `ls'). Oh, so we can only get rid of that by no longer using dired at all. Right. That may be a way to go in the future. Dan's idea of using ewoc may work well, I'm going to make time to look into it. > >> That would also allow us to get rid of vc-directory-exclusion-list. > > > Not unless we want to wire an equivalent back into speedbar.el. > > That's a good idea in any case: speedbar shouldn't need to rely on VC > for that. But the alternative is for speedbar and all other modes that have to be VCS-aware to have their own separate lists of special version-control directories. This seems wrong to me, violating what database people call the SPOT (Single Point Of Truth) rule. I think it's better to have that list be in vc-hooks where speedbar.el and other things can see it. That way they will automatically get smarter whenever the code that manages VCSes becomes aware of another one. > > It's also genuinely needed in vc-next-action. > > I don't see it used there. Sorry, seems I misread a grep hit. -- Eric S. Raymond