From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eric S. Raymond" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 06:52:35 -0500 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs Message-ID: <20080102115235.GC17588@thyrsus.com> References: <20071230122217.3CA84830B9A@snark.thyrsus.com> <20071231130712.GB8641@thyrsus.com> <20080101171120.GC3830@muc.de> <20080101193731.GA10056@thyrsus.com> <7e9mn3dc87sehrc2b880i2h6fp5h1724f9@4ax.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199274751 27972 80.91.229.12 (2 Jan 2008 11:52:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 11:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "John S. Yates, Jr." Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 02 12:52:48 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JA29P-0000Ki-QC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:52:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JA294-00009z-05 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 06:52:26 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JA291-00009Q-Ef for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 06:52:23 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JA290-00009E-Gn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 06:52:22 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JA290-00009B-Br for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 06:52:22 -0500 Original-Received: from static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net ([71.162.243.5] helo=snark.thyrsus.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JA290-0004GO-03 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 06:52:22 -0500 Original-Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 23) id 7638E830B84; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 06:52:35 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7e9mn3dc87sehrc2b880i2h6fp5h1724f9@4ax.com> X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15+20070412 (2007-04-11) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:85884 Archived-At: John S. Yates, Jr. : > Speaking from experience on multiple projects, a pernicious CVS > effect is to install a reluctance to rename. This is tantamount > to banning any large scale refactoring. And that is ultimately > extremely damaging to a long-lived code base under truly active > development. Emphatically agreed. -- Eric S. Raymond