From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: tomas@tuxteam.de Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 08:51:13 +0000 Message-ID: <20080102085113.GB19608@www.trapp.net> References: <20071230122217.3CA84830B9A@snark.thyrsus.com> <20071231130712.GB8641@thyrsus.com> <20080101171120.GC3830@muc.de> <20080101193731.GA10056@thyrsus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199264210 28193 80.91.229.12 (2 Jan 2008 08:56:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 08:56:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org, "Eric S. Raymond" To: "Eric S. Raymond" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 02 09:57:09 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J9zPR-00025P-Hc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 09:57:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J9zP5-00062F-HG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 03:56:47 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J9zP1-000627-Ud for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 03:56:43 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J9zOz-00061v-JT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 03:56:42 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J9zOz-00061s-D4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 03:56:41 -0500 Original-Received: from alextrapp1.equinoxe.de ([217.22.192.104] helo=www.elogos.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J9zOv-0000ob-I8; Wed, 02 Jan 2008 03:56:37 -0500 Original-Received: from www.elogos.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.elogos.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA1014793C; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 08:51:13 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: by www.elogos.de (Postfix, from userid 4000) id B6C724793B; Wed, 2 Jan 2008 08:51:13 +0000 (UTC) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080101193731.GA10056@thyrsus.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:85867 Archived-At: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Jan 01, 2008 at 02:37:32PM -0500, Eric S. Raymond wrote: [...] > > o - They must, like Emacs, be fully usable on a text console without = a > > mouse as well as in X. There are at least 3 hackers here who prefe= r > > such a setup. >=20 > This *does* have a technical solution: lynx. Or links. Text-mode > browsers aren't what I'd call pleasant compared to graphical ones, but > they are usable. I have to take issue with this last one. Whereas I'm far from 'console bigot' (I do enjoy Emacs on X far more than on console), I cringe when I have to use those badly done, Javascript and cookie-laden Web-2.0 interfaces. Trac -- ackphth. GUI !=3D browser. And I think we'd be better off separating all those layers and picking whatever suits us. Why not http without html? Or html without Javascript? Texinfo-over-http anyone? Regards - -- tom=C3=A1s -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHe1CBBcgs9XrR2kYRAv7eAJ4yVuwhJHcnrufo5DUHrMg6X+mKeQCdFt5F V5wPIU6NVEg0xSaRr16uu0I=3D =3DcFNy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----