From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eric S. Raymond" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 01:24:39 -0500 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs Message-ID: <20080101062439.GD6764@thyrsus.com> References: <18297.44754.762611.139679@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199168685 18662 80.91.229.12 (1 Jan 2008 06:24:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 06:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Nick Roberts Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 01 07:25:00 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J9aYd-0002FG-J7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 07:24:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J9aYH-00034e-Oa for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 01:24:37 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J9aY9-00031J-4g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 01:24:29 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J9aY7-0002zj-LP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 01:24:28 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J9aY7-0002yx-3e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 01:24:27 -0500 Original-Received: from static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net ([71.162.243.5] helo=snark.thyrsus.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J9aY6-0001NZ-NP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 01:24:26 -0500 Original-Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 23) id 4A712830B84; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 01:24:39 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <18297.44754.762611.139679@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15+20070412 (2007-04-11) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:85803 Archived-At: Nick Roberts : > Do you know if he reported these things to the mailing list? I think we need > a reality check here: Emacs is a voluntary project, and if users aren't > prepared to make bug reports then it's unlikely that any version control > system, no matter how good, will allow a handful to developers to avoid such > pitfalls. I do not know whether he reported them. I think it likely that he did. And, yes, users who don't report bugs is indeed one of exceedingly many problems a better VCS and collaboration tools won't solve. -- Eric S. Raymond