From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eric S. Raymond" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:57:49 -0500 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs Message-ID: <20080101005749.GI26639@thyrsus.com> References: <20071230122217.3CA84830B9A@snark.thyrsus.com> <20071231130712.GB8641@thyrsus.com> <20071231214108.GD26639@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199150196 19368 80.91.229.12 (1 Jan 2008 01:16:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 01:16:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esr@snark.thyrsus.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 01 02:16:51 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J9VkR-0006aF-4A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 02:16:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J9Vk4-0002Op-Pu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:16:28 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J9Vjz-0002Nz-8d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:16:23 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J9Vjy-0002NL-7v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:16:22 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J9Vjy-0002NH-2w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:16:22 -0500 Original-Received: from static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net ([71.162.243.5] helo=golux.thyrsus.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J9Vju-0005hE-B0; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:16:18 -0500 Original-Received: by golux.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 23) id 5B56ECF80D1; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:57:49 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15+20070412 (2007-04-11) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:85787 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii : > > I proudly mentioned my work on VC-mode, and got majorly dumped on for > > bothering with Emacs at all. > > Curiously enough, I'm having an opposite experience these days: I completely believe you. I think our accounts unify nicely if you reflect that the people giving me crap were mainly Eclipse fans -- ex-Emacs users who think they've found something better. On the other hand, anybody who's been stuck using Microsoft tools... well, of *course* Emacs is better; an Acheulian flint hand-axe would probably strike those poor bastards as an improvement. -- Eric S. Raymond