From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eric S. Raymond" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:31:28 -0500 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs Message-ID: <20071231153128.GD8641@thyrsus.com> References: <20071230122217.3CA84830B9A@snark.thyrsus.com> <20071231131129.GA2737@muc.de> <87lk7b0zg6.fsf@catnip.gol.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199115117 27695 80.91.229.12 (31 Dec 2007 15:31:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:31:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , emacs-devel@gnu.org, "Eric S. Raymond" To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 31 16:32:09 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J9Mca-0005KU-Nb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:32:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J9McF-0006lN-3B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:31:47 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J9Mc9-0006hA-2s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:31:41 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J9Mc7-0006fI-Ix for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:31:39 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J9Mc7-0006f0-Bb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:31:39 -0500 Original-Received: from static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net ([71.162.243.5] helo=golux.thyrsus.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J9Mc3-0002PL-F4; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:31:35 -0500 Original-Received: by golux.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 23) id 487F7CF80C1; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:31:28 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87lk7b0zg6.fsf@catnip.gol.com> X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15+20070412 (2007-04-11) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:85742 Archived-At: Miles Bader : > I suspect that 90% of the difference in "responsiveness" between the two > projects has to do with the people (and numbers of people) involved, not > with the tools being used. I don't think those are separable -- I think Wesnoth has more developers in significant part *because* its tools are better. > Certainly the tools make _some_ difference, but I think ESR is > drastically overestimating how much of one. You may be right. But we won't know until we fix our toolset and see, and fixing our toolset would have important benefits even at our current scale. -- Eric S. Raymond