From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dan Nicolaescu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ";0c" in terminal with slow connections Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 09:17:03 -0700 Message-ID: <200709081617.l88GH8f3016049@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> References: <20070903105723.GA4091@prunille.vinc17.org> <200709060534.l865YScm001171@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <20070906125034.GE9115@prunille.vinc17.org> <200709071413.l87EDkeI026980@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <20070908082105.GR9115@prunille.vinc17.org> <200709080835.l888ZE4d002837@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <20070908093244.GS9115@prunille.vinc17.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1189268397 19450 80.91.229.12 (8 Sep 2007 16:19:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 16:19:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Vincent Lefevre Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 08 18:19:58 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IU32J-0004tj-Oa for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 18:19:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IU32H-0000cv-8d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:19:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IU32D-0000c0-EG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:19:49 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IU32C-0000bM-0u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:19:49 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IU32B-0000bI-UR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:19:47 -0400 Original-Received: from oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu ([128.195.1.41]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IU327-0002h4-Io; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:19:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mothra.ics.uci.edu (mothra.ics.uci.edu [128.195.6.93]) by oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l88GH8f3016049; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 09:17:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20070908093244.GS9115@prunille.vinc17.org> (Vincent Lefevre's message of "Sat\, 8 Sep 2007 11\:32\:44 +0200") Original-Lines: 55 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@mothra.ics.uci.edu X-Detected-Kernel: Solaris 9 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:78271 Archived-At: [Maybe you are not aware, but your tone sounds irritating. Please be more careful on this mailing list.] Vincent Lefevre writes: > On 2007-09-08 01:35:14 -0700, Dan Nicolaescu wrote: > > Vincent Lefevre writes: > > > Why not let the user configure his xterm the way he likes? > > > > You are missing the point, this is done because we would like the users > > to transparently take advantage of this feature without having to > > configure anything. > But what about users who are used to the current configuration > or have their own configuration? Can you please give a precise example of what you mean? > If this feature is so important to have it without configuring > anything, then why doesn't xterm enable it by default? Don't know, please find out from the xterm guys and report back here. > > > If you enable modifyOtherKeys, won't the configuration change > > > for other applications running in xterm? > > > > Emacs restores the setting on suspend and quit. > > This is not sufficient: > * Emacs won't be able to do anything for screen users, after > detaching a session running Emacs or after switching the > screen window. Screen sets TERM to screen, so this won't affect such users. > * If Emacs crashes (this hasn't happened yet with Emacs22, > though), the configuration will not be restored. > * In case of a SSH or dialup connection, if the connection closes > because of some network problem (this occurs quite frequently), > the configuration will not be restored either. We can only do a best effort. > > > What if the user has set up VT100 translations corresponding > > > to C-. C-, and so on? > > > > I am not sure what is your point here. > > The user can bind some key sequences (in general, ones that are not > used in the terminal itself) to some xterm functions (e.g. to do > scrolling, paste strings and so on). This is done with the VT100 > translations resource. What is the effect of modifyOtherKeys on > these bindings? (I don't have a xterm here to try...) You seem to know about this stuff, why don't you try it and report any problems that you find here.