From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Adam Spiers Subject: Re: counter-intuitive key bindings Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:52:42 +0100 Message-ID: <20070728125242.GC22472@atlantic.linksys.moosehall> References: Reply-To: Adam Spiers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IElmn-00076p-JI for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 08:52:45 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IElmn-00076d-6m for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 08:52:45 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IElmn-00076a-4F for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 08:52:45 -0400 Received: from mail.beimborn.com ([70.84.38.100]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IElmm-00084n-KU for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 08:52:44 -0400 Received: from mail.beimborn.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.beimborn.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l6SCqhil000340 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 07:52:43 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by mail.beimborn.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Submit) id l6SCqhvT000335 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:52:43 +0100 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 12:17:06PM +0100, Leo wrote: > (info "(org)Multiple sets in one file") > | `C-S-' > | `C-S-' > | These keys jump from one TODO subset to the next. In the above > | example, `C-S-' would jump from `TODO' or `DONE' to > | `REPORT', and any of the words in the second row to `CANCELED'. > > These key bindings are to move from one set of the TODO items to > another, which intuitively are a vertical motion. See this configure: > > | (setq org-todo-keywords > | '((sequence "TODO" "|" "DONE") > | (sequence "REPORT" "BUG" "KNOWNCAUSE" "|" "FIXED") > | (sequence "|" "CANCELED"))) > > I would propose to change these key bindings to: > > C-S- Agreed, this is more logical, although the modified cursor key bindings are always going to be contended. Personally I have a "global" standard set of key bindings for outline navigation and editing which applies across several modes: folding-mode, org-mode, outline-minor-mode (and allout), orgstruct-mode. Having to remember different bindings for how to hide/reveal/zoom to a subtree in each mode is a nightmare. I would love to see some standardization here with more mode authors talking to each other. On a related topic, if I have S-{left,right} on my org-disputed-keys list, this breaks using them for changing a timestamp by one-day increments, even though I don't consider that a clashing binding. I guess I am arguing that this is a minor bug with `org-key' being too indiscriminate in when it filters bindings.