From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dan Nicolaescu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for a 22.2/trunk development model Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:05:13 -0700 Message-ID: <200706161705.l5GH5D6s018250@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> References: <6sps3z32ap.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87tztbcue9.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87lkemmrg4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <18033.64249.816850.550250@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <200706161422.l5GEMTJ5009556@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <85odjgm0co.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <200706161601.l5GG13Pv014810@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <85fy4rn96q.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1182013724 26150 80.91.229.12 (16 Jun 2007 17:08:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 17:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rgm@gnu.org, handa@m17n.org, Nick Roberts , emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, cyd@stupidchicken.com To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 16 19:08:41 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HzblM-0008RT-2A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 19:08:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HzblL-0006FF-Jb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 13:08:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hzbkr-0005ma-Kg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 13:08:05 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hzbkq-0005ly-Tp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 13:08:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hzbkq-0005lk-Iy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 13:08:04 -0400 Original-Received: from oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu ([128.195.1.41]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Hzbko-0007pT-Hz; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 13:08:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mothra.ics.uci.edu (mothra.ics.uci.edu [128.195.6.93]) by oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id l5GH5D6s018250; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:05:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <85fy4rn96q.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Sat\, 16 Jun 2007 18\:41\:33 +0200") Original-Lines: 43 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@mothra.ics.uci.edu X-detected-kernel: Solaris 9 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:73078 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > Dan Nicolaescu writes: > > > David Kastrup writes: > > > > > Dan Nicolaescu writes: > > > > > > > Richard Stallman writes: > > > > > > > > > I have decided that we should not merge unicode-2 until a > > > > > couple of months have gone by and we know what should be > > > > > done about Emacs 22.2. Until then I want to avoid > > > > > far-reaching changes in the trunk. Please stop making a > > > > > fuss about a couple of months. > > > > > > > > > > However, it is ok to add new features which are not so > > > > > far-reaching in their effects on the code. Even the > > > > > multi-tty branch could be merged in (once we decide what > > > > > to do about the environment). > > > > > > > > This development model would undoubtedly achieve the goal of being > > > > able to make a high quality 22.2 release. > > > > > > Undoubtedly? Richard is talking about the trunk, you are > > > talking about 22.2 which is to be done off EMACS_22_BASE. So I > > > don't see the two areas actually related, _unless_ one plans to > > > _scrap_ EMACS_22_BASE and basically copy trunk over it. Which > > > nobody has proposed, and which I'd consider an even worse idea > > > than quite a few others I have blown my top over. > > > > Your attitude is completely puzzling to me. I made a concrete, > > constructive proposal to RMS to try to move things in the direction > > that you seem to want too. Instead of waiting for his reply (as I > > politely asked) > > Since Richard _has_ already declared the trunk open for new > development, there is no point in asking him to declare the trunk open > for new development _again_. No, it is not open for "_any_ new development", that would mean unicode-2 could get in.