From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ryan Yeske Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CVS is the `released version' Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 01:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20070513084905.C95BC14297@owie.lan> References: <2cd46e7f0705101124r72000f78xdf05d18ca815ca57@mail.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1179046207 27356 80.91.229.12 (13 May 2007 08:50:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 08:50:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 13 10:50:05 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Hn9mF-0001Cu-E7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 10:50:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hn9tr-0000Gh-5c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 04:57:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hn9tn-0000Gc-50 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 04:57:51 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Hn9tj-0000GQ-1X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 04:57:49 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hn9ti-0000GN-Rr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 04:57:46 -0400 Original-Received: from shawmail.shawcable.com ([64.59.128.220] helo=bpd2mo2no.prod.shawcable.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Hn9lx-0005Vt-W3; Sun, 13 May 2007 04:49:46 -0400 Original-Received: from bpd2mi3no.prod.shawcable.com (bpd2mi3no-qfe3.prod.shawcable.com [10.0.184.122]) by bpd2mo2no.prod.shawcable.com (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JHZ00CM81UP4Q60@bpd2mo2no.prod.shawcable.com>; Sun, 13 May 2007 02:49:37 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: from mail.emmett.ca ([68.146.204.233]) by bpd2mi3no.prod.shawcable.com (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JHZ003ZF1UOCOT1@bpd2mi3no.prod.shawcable.com>; Sun, 13 May 2007 02:49:37 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.emmett.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AFCE417A5; Sun, 13 May 2007 02:49:35 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: from mail.emmett.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (sputnik.emmett.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07111-09; Sun, 13 May 2007 02:49:32 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: from owie.lan (unknown [10.18.1.1]) by mail.emmett.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10ABA4179C; Sun, 13 May 2007 02:49:31 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: by owie.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C95BC14297; Sun, 13 May 2007 01:49:05 -0700 (PDT) In-reply-to: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new (clamav) at mail.emmett.ca X-detected-kernel: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:70950 Archived-At: I wish that were true, but most of the work of installing a package system is making everything _use_ it. There are many people who are not necessarily emacs lisp hackers but would be willing and able to prepare third party elisp packages from existing sources. I believe that the various free operating system projects are able to find the resources for similar work for their package management systems without draining the resources of the hackers actually working on the development of the packages themselves. I don't see how any code installed in Emacs could save you the need for that. In my quick test of package.el, I was able to install and run a package in 1/10th the time it would have taken to find, download and install it manually. For a package with dependencies on other package libraries, the time/effort benefit would be even greater. Since just loading the files is not supposed to change Emacs functionality, I think the need for this cannot be avoided. Having the package system install the file and setup autoloads in .emacs will not itself change emacs functionality, but will save the user a tremendous amount of tedious work. Ryan