From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Werner LEMBERG Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [yazicivo@ttnet.net.tr: Locale Dependent Downcasing in smtpmail] Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 10:01:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <20070407.100143.177020647.wl@gnu.org> References: <20070406.112405.223252076.wl@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1175932994 10042 80.91.229.12 (7 Apr 2007 08:03:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:03:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: simon@josefsson.org, yazicivo@ttnet.net.tr, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, handa@m17n.org To: eliz@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 07 10:02:27 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Ha5sQ-00078A-Ml for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 10:02:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ha5vy-00078R-Rg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 04:06:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ha5vu-00073N-DQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 04:06:02 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Ha5vt-00070i-04 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 04:06:02 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ha5vs-00070f-MO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 04:06:00 -0400 Original-Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.186]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Ha5s8-0003U2-M9; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 04:02:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [62.143.170.51] (helo=localhost) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwpI-1Ha5rs2ewj-0004CB; Sat, 07 Apr 2007 10:02:01 +0200 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Mew version 5.2.50 on Emacs 22.0.97.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX189n9nE6akWPWV+9po4Dmr8uRDIMNLOc6zthJ4 blb/Pwi7VV3una96gXq3DD2YoPDG8EK7VF1XyigR3mvzWJly9q vebZOoW+vx1vwdCzizhZQ== X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:69154 Archived-At: > > The `Ma=DFe' vs. `Masse' issue is very special. > = > Is it? Isn't it true that =DF should match SS, but not ss, as a > general rule in German? In theory, yes, but it is complicated by a number of facts. . In Switzerland, people no longer use `=DF'. Everything is written with `ss' (both uppercase and lowercase). . In official documents, `=DF' is used even in uppercased situations.= Assume a passport, and the name of the person is `Dre=DFen'. Then the uppercased version written in the passport is `DRE=DFEN'. This= is the only allowed usage of `=DF' with uppercase letters, AFAIK. However... . Many people think that, say, `STRA=DFE' is the right way to write t= o write `Stra=DFe' uppercased. Perhaps the problem is also related t= o simplistic computer programs which aren't able to uppercase `=DF' correctly and leave it as-is. . To avoid ambiguities, it was common usage to uppercase `=DF' as `SZ': STRASZE, PREUSZEN. However, this is oldfashioned today. There is a quite long `article of excellency' in the German Wikipedia which covers all aspects: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9F. Werner