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From: Werner LEMBERG <wl@gnu.org>
To: eliz@gnu.org
Cc: simon@josefsson.org, yazicivo@ttnet.net.tr, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
	rms@gnu.org, handa@m17n.org
Subject: Re: [yazicivo@ttnet.net.tr: Locale Dependent Downcasing in smtpmail]
Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 10:01:43 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070407.100143.177020647.wl@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <uzm5l38wo.fsf@gnu.org>


> > The `Maße' vs. `Masse' issue is very special.
> 
> Is it?  Isn't it true that ß should match SS, but not ss, as a
> general rule in German?

In theory, yes, but it is complicated by a number of facts.

  . In Switzerland, people no longer use `ß'.  Everything is written
    with `ss' (both uppercase and lowercase).

  . In official documents, `ß' is used even in uppercased situations.
    Assume a passport, and the name of the person is `Dreßen'.  Then
    the uppercased version written in the passport is `DREßEN'.  This
    is the only allowed usage of `ß' with uppercase letters, AFAIK.
    However...

  . Many people think that, say, `STRAßE' is the right way to write to
    write `Straße' uppercased.  Perhaps the problem is also related to
    simplistic computer programs which aren't able to uppercase `ß'
    correctly and leave it as-is.

  . To avoid ambiguities, it was common usage to uppercase `ß' as
    `SZ': STRASZE, PREUSZEN.  However, this is oldfashioned today.

There is a quite long `article of excellency' in the German Wikipedia
which covers all aspects: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9F.


    Werner

  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-07  8:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-31 20:43 [yazicivo@ttnet.net.tr: Locale Dependent Downcasing in smtpmail] Richard Stallman
2007-04-01 17:39 ` Chong Yidong
2007-04-02  6:51 ` Kenichi Handa
2007-04-02 22:52   ` Chong Yidong
2007-04-02 23:20     ` Volkan YAZICI
2007-04-03  1:24     ` Kenichi Handa
2007-04-03 21:40     ` Richard Stallman
2007-04-02 17:31 ` Volkan YAZICI
2007-04-03  8:06   ` Kenichi Handa
2007-04-03  8:28     ` Werner LEMBERG
2007-04-03  9:24     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-04-03  9:33       ` Simon Josefsson
2007-04-03 13:44         ` Volkan YAZICI
2007-04-03 15:29           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-04-03 15:50             ` David Kastrup
2007-04-03 16:03               ` Andreas Schwab
     [not found]               ` <87k5wt5tnx.fsf@ttnet.net.tr>
2007-04-03 16:21                 ` David Kastrup
     [not found]                 ` <87slbhquuw.fsf@ttnet.net.tr>
2007-04-03 18:44                   ` David Kastrup
2007-04-03 16:30             ` Chong Yidong
2007-04-03 17:57               ` with-case-table / ascii-case-table (was: [yazicivo@ttnet.net.tr: Locale Dependent Downcasing in smtpmail]) Reiner Steib
2007-04-04 15:40                 ` with-case-table / ascii-case-table Chong Yidong
2007-04-04 14:02               ` [yazicivo@ttnet.net.tr: Locale Dependent Downcasing in smtpmail] Richard Stallman
2007-04-04 14:27                 ` Andreas Schwab
2007-04-05 23:11                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-04-06  6:15                     ` Kenichi Handa
2007-04-06  6:49                       ` Werner LEMBERG
2007-04-06  7:15                         ` Kenichi Handa
2007-04-06  7:30                           ` Werner LEMBERG
2007-04-06  8:56                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-04-06  9:24                             ` Werner LEMBERG
2007-04-06 13:54                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-04-07  8:01                                 ` Werner LEMBERG [this message]
2007-04-06 19:47                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-04-07  7:30                         ` martin rudalics
2007-04-07 17:31                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-04-04 18:01                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-04-05 23:11                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-04-06  8:31                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-04-06 19:47                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-04-07  9:18                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-04-07 15:03                           ` Chong Yidong
2007-04-07 17:36                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-04-07 17:31                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-04-07 17:47                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-04-03 21:16           ` Davis Herring

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