From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Diaz Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [debian-vrms] Bug#221807: "please take this into consideration" Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:38:07 +0200 Message-ID: <200704041938.11249.david@leals.com> References: <87hcryfjkh.fsf@zip.com.au> <87hcrxe17d.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1175708334 13301 80.91.229.12 (4 Apr 2007 17:38:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 17:38:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Johan =?iso-8859-1?q?Bockg=E5rd?= To: 221807@bugs.debian.org, debian-vrms@lists.gag.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Bdale Garbee Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 04 19:38:43 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HZ9RS-00076w-MF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:38:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZ9Uj-0006hY-PN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:42:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HZ9Uc-0006eN-EI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:41:58 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HZ9Ua-0006dJ-GV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:41:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HZ9Ua-0006dA-6n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:41:56 -0400 Original-Received: from 41.red-217-127-236.staticip.rima-tde.net ([217.127.236.41] helo=mail.leals.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HZ9RI-0003gs-05 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:38:32 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.leals.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 427D6E30014; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:38:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at leals.com Original-Received: from mail.leals.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.leals.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5X9o9UZJbkma; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:38:17 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from amd.leals.com (AMD.leals.com [192.168.0.2]) by mail.leals.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A9AE30013; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:38:16 +0200 (CEST) User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 In-Reply-To: Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:69063 Archived-At: > > Stefan Monnier writes: > >> I find it funny that Debian's "vrms" lists emacs21-common-non-dfsg > >> ("vrms" is the "Virtual RMS" which lists the non-free packages installed > >> on your system). At least if they want to keep the "GFDL is not free" > >> principle, they should either rename vrms, or fix it to abide by > >> Richard's own principles. Bdale Garbee wrote: > Or, perhaps, offer a command line switch for choosing which of two rule > sets definining freedom to apply? I personally think too if the package name is "Virtual RMS" it should abide the RMS principles, just to avoid confusion to the package's users. Another option could be rename the package to something like "check installation freedom" and allow choosing the freedom 'mode'. However I like have a 'virtual' RMS. Maybe the best option is to fix the vrms to abide the RMS principles, and add other virtual-whatever-package if you want. Note the comment in the vrms description package: "Future versions of vrms will include an option to also display text from the public writings of RMS and others that explain why use of each of the installed non-free packages might cause moral issues for some in the Free Software community." Bug report at: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=221807 Davi