From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Giorgos Keramidas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Menubar on text only terminals Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:55:36 +0300 Message-ID: <20070402065536.GA4779@kobe.laptop> References: <17934.2504.477668.354102@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <17934.54358.129732.694345@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <20070402021343.GA2989@kobe.laptop> <17936.36075.282286.535939@farnswood.snap.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1175497018 8372 80.91.229.12 (2 Apr 2007 06:56:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 06:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Nick Roberts Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 02 08:56:56 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HYGTH-0001dB-Nj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 08:56:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYGWH-00085Q-Lp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 03:00:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HYGWD-00084d-CP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 02:59:57 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HYGW8-0007qo-LS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 02:59:56 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYGW8-0007qa-H5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 02:59:52 -0400 Original-Received: from igloo.linux.gr ([62.1.205.36]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HYGT6-00045l-GR; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 02:56:45 -0400 Original-Received: from kobe.laptop (host5.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.229]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id l326tvNG002799 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:56:04 +0300 Original-Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l326tbgs004819; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:55:49 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Original-Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l326tbH5004818; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:55:37 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <17936.36075.282286.535939@farnswood.snap.net.nz> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.518, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.68, BAYES_00 -2.60, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-detected-kernel: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:68923 Archived-At: On 2007-04-02 16:56, Nick Roberts wrote: >>> With tmm, sub-menus have to be navigated through completions >>> lists, which some find inconvenient. Toolbars don't have >>> that extra complexity. I'm just trying to say that toolbars >>> and text terminals (with use of the mouse) are a more natural >>> fit. >> >> That's kind of debatable. Programs like the text-mode elinks >> web browser work quite nicely with a text mode menubar. The >> menu bar of Emacs works in a different way than the elinks >> menu bar, but I don't see why this makes it less useful than >> the toolbar. > > Maybe for the reason I just gave? That's where the 'debatable' part fits. Some users may find it more useful to use completions to access the menu, rather than try to hit a particular menu entry with a mouse pointer. Others may, obviously, disagree. > I'm not familiar with Elinks but if it works as well as you > say, perhaps, ATR it would a good idea to redesign Emacs text > mode menubar along the same lines. This is a good idea, IMHO. Maybe we can aim for making something like this available for Emacs 23, and make it also possible to switch between two 'modes' for accessing the menu. The current completion-based mode, and something that resembles elinks :)