From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Giorgos Keramidas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Menubar on text only terminals Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 05:13:43 +0300 Message-ID: <20070402021343.GA2989@kobe.laptop> References: <17934.2504.477668.354102@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <17934.54358.129732.694345@farnswood.snap.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1175485309 8869 80.91.229.12 (2 Apr 2007 03:41:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 03:41:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Nick Roberts Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 02 05:41:42 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HYDQM-0004ST-Fl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Apr 2007 05:41:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYDTL-0003VY-Fb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2007 23:44:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HYDTH-0003VF-To for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2007 23:44:43 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HYDTG-0003V2-57 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2007 23:44:43 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HYDTF-0003Uu-VB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Apr 2007 23:44:42 -0400 Original-Received: from igloo.linux.gr ([62.1.205.36]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HYDQE-00011A-Ig; Sun, 01 Apr 2007 23:41:35 -0400 Original-Received: from kobe.laptop (host5.bedc.ondsl.gr [62.103.39.229]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id l323emZS024729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 2 Apr 2007 06:40:55 +0300 Original-Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l323eMGN001607; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 06:40:40 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Original-Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l322DiYd003024; Mon, 2 Apr 2007 05:13:44 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <17934.54358.129732.694345@farnswood.snap.net.nz> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.518, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.68, BAYES_00 -2.60, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE 0.20) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-detected-kernel: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:68919 Archived-At: On 2007-04-01 09:36, Nick Roberts wrote: >> This probably isn't for the release, but I think toolbar >> functionality maps better onto text only terminals than >> the menubar because there are no pull down menus to worry >> about. >> >> I am really lost there. > > With tmm, sub-menus have to be navigated through completions > lists, which some find inconvenient. Toolbars don't have that > extra complexity. I'm just trying to say that toolbars and > text terminals (with use of the mouse) are a more natural fit. That's kind of debatable. Programs like the text-mode elinks web browser work quite nicely with a text mode menubar. The menu bar of Emacs works in a different way than the elinks menu bar, but I don't see why this makes it less useful than the toolbar.