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From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Mysterious fontification/C++ context issue
Date: 10 Dec 2006 15:50:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20061210160056.GB3908@muc.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <85irgjj4un.fsf@lola.goethe.zz>

Guten Tag, David!

On Sun, Dec 10, 2006 at 01:46:40PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
> Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> writes:

> > With Martin Rudalics's optimisation to c-beginning-of-defun-raw, I
> > don't feel that the slowness is too bad any more (though he does
> > ;-).  In the extreme case xdisp.c, scrolling to EOB and M-v is
> > mildly sluggish (about half a second), on my 5 year old Athlon 1.2
> > GHz machine.  A typical new PC now is, say, 3 GHZ.  In the time
> > Emacs 22 is the current release, a typical new PC will come to be
> > around 20 GHz, and this slowness will not matter.

> Please, arguments like that are just not acceptable.  If examples with
> barely tolerable behavior can be come across easily, you can bet that
> there will be normal use cases where the the behavior will be quite
> intolerable.  And even on faster machines, editing should try avoiding
> draining unnecessary CPU power: editing is by far the most important
> application where you want to have a long battery life for laptops.

> I am working with a 600MHz laptop, and my occasionally used desktop
> system has a 233MHz processor.  The preview-latex
> <URL:http://www.gnu.org/software/auctex/preview-latex.html> package
> has been streamlined to operate well on such machines.  It would be
> really a bad hoax if syntax highlighting (which does a lot less) would
> make such machines unusable for editing with an up-to-date Emacs with
> default settings.

Hey, just calm down a bit and take a few long deep breaths!  You've
snipped my argument and left only the supporting discussion.  I'm NOT
arguing that anybody should have this "barely tolerable behaviour"
thrust upon him; the user should be able to set his system up as he
wishes.  I'm merely saying that in a few years time the point will be
moot.  And that for Emacs 23, we will be able to set the default value
of open-paren-...-start  to nil, just as in Emacs 22 font-locking is
enabled by default.

Hopefully Emacs will always be such that wierdos who, for whatever
reason, want to run with font-lock disabled, or on bare TTYs, or on
early 1990s machines can do so comfortably.  ;-)

[ .... ]

> -- 
> David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Ittersbach, Germany)

  reply	other threads:[~2006-12-10 14:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <45741FBE.3000107@swipnet.se>
     [not found]   ` <45742464.1090504@gmx.at>
2006-12-04 21:17     ` Mysterious fontification/C++ context issue Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-06  0:47       ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-06  9:04       ` martin rudalics
2006-12-06 12:22         ` Kim F. Storm
2006-12-06 16:31           ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-07  4:59             ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-09 17:46               ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-09 20:09                 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-11  1:05                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-11  2:27                     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-11  4:38                     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-12 16:24                       ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-12 17:10                         ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-10  4:24                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-10  0:35               ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-10  1:11                 ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-10  9:12                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-10 12:46                     ` David Kastrup
2006-12-10 14:50                       ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2006-12-10 15:13                         ` David Kastrup
2006-12-10 20:30                     ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-13 21:29                       ` Mysterious fontification/C++ context issue - Patch for beginning-of-defun-raw Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-14  1:02                         ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-14  7:36                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-14 10:47                             ` martin rudalics
2006-12-14 18:26                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-14 18:53                                 ` David Kastrup
2006-12-14 20:21                                 ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-14 20:35                                 ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-14 22:18                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-14 22:51                                     ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-15  0:53                                     ` David Kastrup
2006-12-15 10:35                                     ` Johan Bockgård
2006-12-14 21:53                                 ` What `opic0ids' really is [was: Mysterious fontification/C++ context issue - Patch for beginning-of-defun-raw.] Stuart D. Herring
2006-12-15  7:32                                 ` Mysterious fontification/C++ context issue - Patch for beginning-of-defun-raw martin rudalics
2006-12-15 19:22                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-15 22:20                                     ` David Kastrup
2006-12-16 10:17                                     ` martin rudalics
2006-12-17 11:44                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-17 12:02                                         ` David Kastrup
2006-12-17 12:08                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-17 12:14                                             ` David Kastrup
2006-12-17 12:26                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-17 12:51                                                 ` David Kastrup
2006-12-17 17:28                                         ` martin rudalics
2006-12-17 18:36                                         ` Mysterious fontification/C++ context issue - Patch for c-basic-common-init Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-17 18:45                                           ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-17 22:18                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-17 22:59                                               ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-18  0:06                                         ` Mysterious fontification/C++ context issue - Patch for beginning-of-defun-raw Stefan Monnier
2006-12-15 23:24                               ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-16 10:17                                 ` martin rudalics
2006-12-16 18:14                                   ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-16 18:27                                   ` martin rudalics
2006-12-16 19:00                                     ` martin rudalics
2006-12-16 19:33                                       ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-16 19:59                                         ` martin rudalics
2006-12-16 20:10                                           ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-16 21:26                                             ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-16 22:43                                               ` martin rudalics
2006-12-16 23:30                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-16 23:40                                                 ` martin rudalics
2006-12-17  0:04                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-17  4:02                                                     ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-17 10:32                                                       ` martin rudalics
2006-12-17 10:26                                                     ` martin rudalics
2006-12-17 10:59                                                       ` David Kastrup
2006-12-17 23:23                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-17 11:10                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-17 12:01                                                       ` David Kastrup
2006-12-18  0:04                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-16 22:11                                             ` martin rudalics
2006-12-16 23:29                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-16 23:37                                             ` martin rudalics
2006-12-16 20:22                                         ` David Kastrup
2006-12-16 22:21                                           ` martin rudalics
2006-12-14 17:29                             ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-14 18:56                               ` David Kastrup
2006-12-14 22:57                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-15 22:56                           ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-15 23:03                             ` David Kastrup
2006-12-14 10:45                         ` martin rudalics
2006-12-14 18:29                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-15 22:49                         ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-10 21:39                     ` Mysterious fontification/C++ context issue Stefan Monnier
2006-12-10 23:14                       ` Kim F. Storm
2006-12-14  7:43                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-14  7:51                         ` Miles Bader
2006-12-15 23:36                         ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-10  9:18                   ` martin rudalics
2006-12-11  1:23                     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-11  7:23                       ` martin rudalics
2006-12-11  7:36                         ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-11  8:32                           ` martin rudalics
2006-12-11 16:30                             ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-11  1:05                 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-11  1:06                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-06 18:44         ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-06 22:38           ` martin rudalics
2006-12-08  5:05             ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-09  9:42               ` martin rudalics
2006-12-10  4:24                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-10  8:38                   ` martin rudalics
2006-12-10 10:56                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-10 11:58                     ` martin rudalics
2006-12-10 14:30                       ` Slawomir Nowaczyk
2006-12-11  1:29                     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-06 20:52         ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-06 22:38           ` martin rudalics
2006-12-07  5:07           ` Stefan Monnier

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