From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Micha Feigin Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Hard to switch from vi Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 04:23:10 +0200 Message-ID: <20061010042310.1c7bd402@litshi.luna.local> References: <45299CB0.5090003@speakeasy.net> <4529A0E4.60403@charter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1160447150 15396 80.91.229.2 (10 Oct 2006 02:25:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 02:25:50 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 10 04:25:47 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GX7JI-0008Jy-Rq for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 04:25:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GX7JI-0005Qj-55 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 22:25:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GX7J5-0005Ok-JO for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 22:25:23 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GX7J4-0005Nq-OO for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 22:25:23 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GX7J4-0005Nn-Ig for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 22:25:22 -0400 Original-Received: from [132.66.16.26] (helo=doar.tau.ac.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GX7Qk-00046A-NU for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Oct 2006 22:33:18 -0400 Original-Received: from litshi.luna.local (89.0.27.3.dynamic.barak-online.net [89.0.27.3]) by doar.tau.ac.il (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1EC8BF15 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 04:23:49 +0200 (IST) Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.5.0-rc3 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i486-pc-linux-gnu) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:37947 Archived-At: On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 21:22:39 -0400 Wen Weng wrote: > ken wrote: > > Wen Weng wrote: > >> Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. > >> > >> I at least want to learn some basic emacs skills to see where my > >> interest will lead me to... > >> > >> So far, my understanding is that emacs takes more key strokes on the > >> average to accomplish same purposes. It bothers me a little at this point. > >> > >> .... > > > > First, I don't know of any comparison of the number of keystrokes. > Well, that's just my experience so far after one week of using emacs. > > Secondly, other things are much more important. > > > Actually, the number of keystrokes is number one importance to me and > to a lot of people, I guess. It's not so much the average number of keystrokes per operation, but the average number of keystrokes per session, or even more important the average time it takes you to complete your tasks. If it takes more keystrokes per operation, but less operations, or less errors, or whatever, then you're still better off. Don't know which one is better in that respect though. It's probably a combination of what you are used to, they way you like to work (which is probably linked to the previous one), and how much you know. Both of the have a rather steep learning curve though, which can scare quite a few newbies. > > > _______________________________________________ > help-gnu-emacs mailing list > help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-gnu-emacs > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System > at the Tel-Aviv University CC. >